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I will always love him
Joanne James, former wife of acting Police
Corporal Sean James, left, speaks to Jacqueline
George, stepmother of murder victim Dorna Noel
at the Forensic Science Centre in St James
yesterday. Photo: Karla Ramoo
Sifting through through several documents yesterday, Joanne James vowed eternal love for her former husband, Sean. An acting police corporal at the Besson Street Police Station, Sean shot dead his lover Dorna Noel and then turned the police-issued revolver on himself at Noel’s workplace in Curepe on Wednesday afternoon.
Sean and Noel, who shared a common-law relationship lived at Harper Lane, off Reid Lane in D’Abadie. James, who identified Sean’s body at the Forensic Science Centre, St James, said yesterday: “I love my husband. I will always love my husband and that will never change.” An eleven-year “perfect” marriage between James and Sean ended in divorce a few months ago. Two daughters, 17 and six, were children of that union. But James’ world came to a devastating halt when she discovered Sean was involved in an intimate relationship with Noel for almost a year. And that relationship, James said, resulted in the breaking up of her marriage. “We were a normal couple...We were happy, our lives were going great,” she said.
“We lived in an area where everyone were couples and then things just ended. It’s really sad.” The ex-wife and the lover, however, never came face-to-face. The first time James saw Noel was from a photograph taken yesterday of Noel’s identification card. “I need to see that photo...I need to see what the woman look like,” James prodded. She then shook her head and made no remark when the photo was shown. Despite shooting Noel once in the chest at close range, Sean was portrayed by his ex-wife as “cool and calm.” James described Sean as a dedicated husband and devoted father. Violence, James said, adamantly, was “not of Sean.” “In all my years of marriage, my husband was never like that...far from it,” she said.
“He was very loving and quiet. He never raised his hand at me. I never saw that side of him.” A lack of coping skills was what might have pushed Sean over the edge, his aunt Pamela O’Neil said. “Policemen have problems like any anyone else, too,” she said. “We don’t want Sean’s death be in vain and help should be given to police officers who have problems and cannot cope.”
Death threats
But Noel’s anguished relatives painted a different picture of James. They spoke of constant death threats and harassment, culminating in Noel desperately wanting out of the relationship. Jacqueline George, Noel’s stepmother, said that last Saturday, Sean placed a cutlass to Noel’s throat, threatening to end her life. “I had to go and get Dorna around midnight on Saturday...She did not want to remain home because she was terrified,” George said. “When we called the police, they said either Dorna or Sean had to leave the house.” She said by the time she arrived at Noel’s home, Sean had already left. According to George, Noel insisted that Sean packed his bags and leave “her place.”
“That was Dorna’s place and she said she was not leaving,” she said. “So Sean took the keys and said he was not giving her back until he got his things.” Shortly after that, Sean and Noel met briefly, George said, after which Sean begged for forgiveness. “He told Dorna he knew what he did was wrong and he wanted to make up. “But Dorna told him she was scared and that was the end of it.” But on Tuesday night, she said, Sean was spotted in Noel’s yard and again he promised to kill her. “She called the police but they did not come until the next morning,” George said. By that time, she said, Sean was already gone. During Noel’s relationship with Sean, the 42-year-old woman made no previous complaints about her lover’s behaviour. George said the first time she learnt her stepdaughter was experiencing domestic problems was last Saturday.
“Dorna was also very shocked by Sean’s behaviour,” she said. “But she kept repeating she was afraid of Sean and she wanted out because she cannot live that way.” Noel’s aunt, Edith, who openly wept, said Sean also attempted to strangle her niece on Saturday. So badly swollen was Noel’s throat that she was unable to eat the following day, Edith said. But Noel’s murder was looming, relatives believed. The day before she was killed, Edith said Sean begged Noel to take the day off from work. “But she told him the doctor was out of the country had she had to go to work...And apparently he follow her to work and that was it,” she said.
Police negligence
Had the police taken Noel’s threat seriously, her life might have been spared. “If the police was checking up on Sean, they might have noticed when he took the gun and realise something was wrong,” George said. She also charged that since Sean was a policeman, his colleagues might have been more reluctant to act. Advising young women to immediately speak out, George said Noel bottled up her problems until it was too late. “A lot of people feel they could handle the situation and they don’t see the seriousness of it or they don’t look for help until something drastic happens,” she said.
Multiple personalities are a
Multiple personalities are a common characteristic of troubled people. Unfortunately, an innocent woman had to die in the process, never mind she was the 'outside' woman.
As for the reaction of his ex-wife, we witness it everday: mothers (especially) and wives and children almost always see their errant son / spouse / parents as good and loving persons, even when they end up killing another person in the most violent way.
That aside, a policeman's job is not an easy one, especially when they face stressful situations. Oftentimes they can't peacefully resolve personal conflicts and proceed to deal with them in the way they know best: violent and with brute force. Remember the tragic case of the late SRP George from Claxton Bay?
I still maintain that police officers need to have constant psychological monitoring and this may be achieved by subjecting them to compulsory monthly EAP consultations. Counselling and treatment by trained personnel such as a psychologist or psychiatrist is no shame. Rather, it is a brave, bold and frank admission by the affected person that something is wrong with him / her and it needs correcting.
ajfyzabadbutlertown
Again I will point out that
Again I will point out that a policeman's job is no more stressful than the average job and does not even sit within the top ten most stressful jobs.
Take for instance health professionals who deal with life and death situations every day - that is stress! Sales and Marketing people who will not get a salary if they do not make a sale or penetrate markets - that is stress! and the list goes on...
I would agree however that violence from police officers in T&T is linked to the calibre of people recruited to these positions. A police officer position carries with it a certain amount of power and authority, this, plus a weapon and an uneducated and immature mind is a recipe for disaster. The recruitment process for police officers should also include psychometric testing and assessment centres.
This man may have had the hurt and stress of a broken relationship but this is no excuse for what he did. He was a cowardly, weak and vindictive man who took someone's life violently.
Do you reside in Trinidad?
Do you reside in Trinidad? All the protective services have psychological tests for recruits before putting them in the service, however a person can lie and paint a very different picture of himself during such tests. Most people who have mental issues have multiple personalities and some psychologists may not detect this in the short times that recruits are evaluated.
You mention police work is no more stressful than most other jobs but think about this. Imagine going to work everyday knowing you have to deal with lazy subordinates, malfunctioning equipment, non existent resources to properly deal with crime, dirty, vermin infested stations without proper facilities to comfortably execute job. Also couple this with family issues, the risks involved in working in an extremely high crime area and knowing that any criminal you arrest associates or relatives may put a 'hit' on you.
I am not condoning his actions but being a police officer is very stressful
Yes the protective services
Yes the protective services do have psychological evaluation tests you are so right. Police work worldwide is one of the top most stressful jobs, and most of them do not have to work with all the disadvantages that you have noted above.
There are no excuses for domestic violence, and women have a way that they hide the fact that it is going on. In most instances domestic violence starts with verbal abuse control of the other person and then escalates into physical abuse. We will never know how long that has been going on.
I am sure that the first wife experienced some sort of abuse from that man but she is unlikely to tell as she has her own issues right now. Even though that woman is dead she is still blaming her for taking her husband, shame.
No woman can take a man/woman from a perfect relationship unless there are cracks in that relationship or that the man/woman is a serial cheater.
My condolence to the family of both persons.
I stand corrected and take
I stand corrected and take on-board what you've mentioned, however credible psychometric tests administered by properly trained/competent professionals are correct on most occassions. I am not casting judgement here, but maybe the entire recruitment process including interview panels, entry requirements and the psychometric tests utilised should be reviewed.
The employment relation just starts at point of recruitmment, organisations should ensure that they continue to performance manage their employees throughout their career.
There will also be instances in an employee's career where they may be exposed to disturbing issues in these instances these employees should be provided with appropriate counselling.
As I have mentioned yesterday please see:
Top ten stressful professions
IT
Medicine / Caring Profession
Engineering
Sales and Marketing
Education
Finance
Human Resources
Operations
Production
Clerical
Top ten work stresses
Workload
Feeling undervalued
Deadlines
Type of work people have to do
Having to take on other people’s work
Lack of job satisfaction
Lack of control over the working day
Having to work long hours
Frustration with the working environment
Targets
Top ten colleague irritations
Seeing others not pulling their weight
Managers changing their minds about what they want doing
Lack of support from managers
Pressure from managers
Feeling put-upon by managers
Interruptions by colleagues
Interruptions by managers
Bullying behaviour by managers
Lack of support from colleagues
Bullying behaviour by colleagues
The flaw in your stress
The flaw in your stress listing, eurotrini, is that you have only accounted for stress on the job. You have ignored the other stress factors in a person's life, such as:
family: conflicts in the home, children, the 'outside' woman or man;
poverty: people struggling to make ends meet;
politics and government: wastage of money and state mismanagement;
education: children not being given the education they should get;
government and the civil service: lack of service from government departments such as licence office, warden office, welfare department, police dept etc;
traffic jams: people living south have to take 3 hours to reach to work;
crime and insecurity: you don't know if a bandit (sometimes with a gun rented for some corrupt policeman), going to break down your door and rob you, kill you, rape your wife and/or daughter;
job insecurity: you don't know if you going to have a job tomorrow;
Juvenile delinquency and youth insecurity: You ever check the headlines when there is a violent crime or murder or rape and see the age of the criminals? most times it's youths below the age of 20 years.
So, all our stresses are not job related (remember, some people in Trinidad doh even have a job so they doh even have job-related stress).
ad nauseum. We doh have much time today to talk, because they going to change the Guardian stories just now.
ajfyzabadbutlertown
Eurotrini, your analysis in
Eurotrini, your analysis in paragraph 3 is absolutely on the button: too many guns in immature hands.Tha's just one 'symptom', though. Some policemen are too advantageous, simply because they can legally carry a gun.
ajfyzabadbutlertown
Wife Had No Sympathy For
Wife Had No Sympathy For Victim
Notice how the wife did not have any sympathy for the victim? All she could talk about is what a great man her husband was. Well, if he was so good, why did he leave her? Why? So she sounds like she happy the woman dead. Go on, still love the killer, remember you have girl children and what goes around comes around.
As for the police, well, of course they would not come to her rescue. He was one of them and they stick together regardless. He is a man who did not know God and I know his soul is in hell right now, while Ms. Noel is going straight to heaven. May she rest in peace. May his soul never, ever rest.
Is she supposed to?
Is she supposed to?
My sympathies to the victims
My sympathies to the victims and their families. Avalynn, one cannot judge and say "This man did not know God". Do you know Him? If you did, you would know that He does not want us to judge another - it is wrong. This man did a horrible act, but no one knows if he gave his life to Christ before he pulled the gun on himself. Murder and Suicide is wrong but only God knows where he is right now, and one should not judge if "Ms. Noel is going straigh to Heaven". Please do not damn a soul to never, ever rest. Trinidad does not need any more.
Put yourself in this woman's
Put yourself in this woman's shoes for a moment. Is she really supposed to feel sympathy for the person whom she knows is partially responsible for the change of her "perfect" marriage? I believe that thought was a contributary factor (I DO NOT CONDONE IT) in the policeman's decision to end both their lives. He must have thought this through since he knew that his relationship in a "perfect" union had ended because of his choice to be with this individual. Now that things were not going his way (who knows) he is saying (hypothetically) "is this what I left my family for?"--end result...murder, suicide. Stress ain't got nothing to do with it, WE ARE ALL STRESSED. How you handle stress is the more important factor.
this is tragic of all of the
this is tragic of all of the people involve in this love/hate triangle. I can see why the ex wife will not comment on the other woman. this woman cause the wife pain as well. if her husband was nice to her and his children why should she say otherwise? he was nice to them. I am sure the outside woman though he was nice at first otherwise she would not have been with him. he took the cowardly way out, but it does not change the fact that he was nice to his family. she knew he had a wife, she should not have gotten involve with him.. I feel bad for all involved.
They horn but don't move
They horn but don't move on.
Notice what the ex-wife said, to the effect, that he was nice and that he would visit their daughter and the other daughter from previous marriage (who he conveniently left behind with her stepmother), and he would feed the dogs.
Feed the dogs!!!!
What the hell the man doing there after he chose to move on. I bet you, everytime he visited he would be sniffing around for the scent of another man in what he would have regarded as his territory, and bet you he had a loaded firearm within easy reach!
Most of these macho types want to hold on to all the vaginas and wombs in their rampaging testicular paths.
My guess is that he visited his X's home regulary, in part, to make sure no other man was warming his X's bed. The headline this time would have been of a triangular or quadrangular nature instead.
There are certainly more police and private security officers in situations like this murdering one.
ajfyzabadbutlertown
She had a great marriage and
She had a great marriage and the husband still went out looking for another woman? come on now. She still love her husband and will always, then you should have been able to keep him from looking for someone else.
This man killed another human and the X has no sympathy?
Check yourself Lady........
Do you know why people
Do you know why people cheat? she said they had a perfect marriage, you cannot fault her for saying that. it was perfect as far as she knew, until the affair. because he cheated does not mean he did not love his family. she could only speak for herself. I am not going to be hypocrite and say " she does not have sympathy for the other woman". that's her right to feel however she feels. now you blaming the wife? she lost her ex lover, children father good friend etc. allow her to have her feeling. I am sure she will feel sympathy for the other woman eventually. right now everbody is hurt on both sides. weather we like it or not Miss Noel did contribute to the break down in his marriage. she did not have to die for that though. a person could be many things to many people.
ISC Some very interesting
ISC
Some very interesting comments about the cop who is said to have killed his 'woman'. Let me say without contradiction that a wrong committed against another is a wrong. How we choose to deal with the hurt is the deciding factor in what lessons we can learn from the hurt. I read a quote recently it goes like this' it is unwise to be too sure of one's wisdom. it is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err' can't recall author's name right now. Let us protect our loved ones by helping them deal with the hurt.
I just love this
I just love this board.
Where else could you go to hear a poster, supposedly living in Europe, tell you about all that goes on thousands of miles away in the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
And another poster, who might be living in Trinidad for all I know, tell you about all that is going on in heaven. That poster knows who is in heaven from who is in hell.
I thought that Miss Cleo was good, but you all are better.
Well said Twoleft, everybody
Well said Twoleft, everybody knows alot about everything that they have no clue about.
Twoleft (brain cells that
Twoleft (brain cells that is) I thought this forum was inclusive for all Trinis, why so critical. You and bimmerman are typical of uneducated people who have nothing constructive to say. I bet between the two of you you all have about three o'levels/CXC if so much between yourselves.
And I will go so far to say that the only internet access you have is at an internet cafe or you probably steal a chance to get on the internet from your workplace. You definitely don't have a computer at your home.
The type of comments you both have made on the forum is typical of the foolishness that has Trinidad and Tobago where it is today.
typical story. animals are
typical story. animals are animals. small brains with big egos.
RE: Wife has no
RE: Wife has no sympathy
People wake up it's ones like you that encourage lawlessness in society, with no regard for God or man.The female victim should have remembered what God has put together no man should put asunder, couldn't she have found a single man--maybe she would be alive today.I am no judge but a WIFE and I would not want another to tear apart my family.Maybe she could not deliever what she promised or he regretted leaving leaving his wife but single women LEAVE MARRIED men ALONE--I beg of you see what could happen.
Remember it takes time, energy and patience for relationships to develop and what a man has found in a wife he may never find in an "outside woman", you maybe constantly measured so let your conscience be your guide.
If as a human you can find
If as a human you can find it in your heart to have sympathy for the life of another human life we are at a loss. Where is the Love.And for all the people jugding Ms Noel do you know when a man ventures into another womans arms something is missing in his marriage,there maybe something missisng in the home.And wives if you take resposibility for your shortcoming as a wife and respect your husband then maybe you will not have to worry about another woman.I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORT AFFAIRS OF ANY KIND.And sympathy goes out to all invovled.
You know what this country
You know what this country misssing LOVE,when we could display unconditional love to our fellow citizens then and only then the lawlessness would stop.And you know how we could obtain this LOVE by developing a deep,strong and intense relationship with GOD.But we to busy worry about" what this one do me " and " she was with me husband", these petty little things when people dying from hunger some living in the street, others sick and unable to help themselves.COME T&T WAKE UP STOP STUDYING THE PETTY THINGS LOVE ONE ANOTHER UNCONDITIONALLY.