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Man stabs wife to death, kills self
Rose Nanan, second from left, Dianne Baptiste’s sister speaks with relatives of Baptiste’s common-law husband, Michael Isaac, at her Brazil Lome Trace, San Raphael home yesterday. Inset: Dianne Baptiste. PHOTO: ANGELO MARCELLE
A 30-year-old mother of three has been fatally stabbed by her common-law husband in Arima, two weeks after she fled from an abusive relationship. The Nanan family at Brazil Village, San Raphael, was plunged into mourning yesterday—the second time in 31 years—after a murder/suicide incident came right on their doorstep. Apparently obsessed that his common-law wife, Dianne Baptiste had left him, Michael Isaac, in a fit of rage, brutally stabbed her to death before taking his life. Isaac, 34, and Baptiste, 30, lived at a house along Transport Street, Brazil.
Baptiste was the mother of two boys and a girl, ages 14, 12 and 11. The incident occurred outside the Guanapo Road, Arima, home of Baptiste’s sister, Rose Nanan, shortly around 10 am, police said. According to Nanan, this was not the first time Isaac attempted to kill Baptiste. “He use to abuse her real plenty and she just wanted to get out; that is why she left him. He came a night at my house with a knife to kill her about two weeks ago, but I and some fellas from the area were around so he decided to leave,” a tearful Nanan said. According to Nanan, Isaac kept following and chasing Baptiste, pleading with her to come back home.
Nanan said she regretted that she could not do anything to save her sister. Isaac’s brother-in-law, Steve Samaroo described him as a very cool person who would go out of his way to assist someone. He said he was shocked over the incident and expressed sympathy to Baptiste’s family. Isaac was married to one of Samaroo’s sisters but they had separated. According to police, Baptiste was at Nanan’s home when she received a telephone call from Isaac. She went outside to speaks with him following which an argument ensued. Isaac whipped out a knife and dealt Baptiste multiple stabs about the neck and back.
Isaac was later discovered in an unconscious state along Neil Street, off River Road, Arima with a bottle containing a poisonous substance near his body. Both victims were taken to the Arima Health Facility where they succumbed to their injuries while being treated.
Another tragedy
According to Baptiste’s grandfather, George Nanan, on August 7, 1979, he lost one of his daughter’s Pateah Bhola under similar circumstances: “Her husband, Thomas chopped her to death in an area not too far from our home. He later committed suicide by hanging himself while in prison. “It really hard for us here because it is the second time something like this happened,” George said.
so sad that these abused
so sad that these abused women did not have any means of defending themselves.
these two cases establish the fact that living with abusive spouses can lead to your death.
get yourself a gun i say, like madam chin.
Whats Going On in my
Whats Going On in my Country?
Are we seeing the destruction of Men as an integral part of our society. Too many males are killing their female partners and then themselves. It appears that they are unable to accept the fact that they must love themselves first before proceeding to love another. A woman is not their 'possession', she is a friend, lover, wife, mother, not the object of their obsession. When these men kill the women, more often than not they are depriving children of their mothers. We have to take stock on how we raise our sons. We shelter our daughters, but we give free reign to our sons to do as they please, even turn a blind eye to their indiscretions, simply saying that 'boys will be boys', but this will do no more. So many of our males are following the trail of criminals and getting slaughtered, while others are getting caught up in family violence. Our sons are our future, and we have no choice but to care for them and guide them, teaching them the differences between right and wrong. These murders/suicides are a frightening trend, occurring every few days, and we cannot allow this to continue. May I ask the fathers in particular to step forward and try to save their sons from themselves. Men, if you have problems coping with relationships, please talk to someone you have confidence in, whether it is your parents, priest, counsellor, or friend. Cry for help if you need it - someone will come to your aid. I do realise that many men were raised to believe that asking for help is not manly, but this is very wrong. Taking a life is not manly, it is cowardice. Taking a life whether it is yours or someone you profess to love is the wrong thing to do.
Rudy Chato Paul, Sr. This
Rudy Chato Paul, Sr.
This tragedy, along with the many others which have preceded it, and the many more to follow, can all be traced to a failed education system; an education system that prepares people merely to pass exams, and not deal with life. And the people at the UWI and other institutions are not engaging the population in any meaningful attempt to provide solutions. Everyone is busy trying to 'make a name for him/herself,' seeking power: how to get it and how to hold on to it. I will quote Robert Nestor Marley (again):'many more will have to suffer, many more will have to die.' And I will quote him until I see efforts being made to address the numerous social issues facing a small society such as ours. How many of us know others, or who ourselves, are living on the edge? the tipping point? How many of us have heard it said, or even said it ourselves, that 'will kill everything in the house, down to the fish? What, (or who) pray tell, is responsible for such line of reasoning?
Hmm. So educated people dont
Hmm. So educated people dont abuse their children or spouses?
Anyways,here are some stats taken from a Domestic Abuse website in the US:
General Statistics
* On the average, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends every day.
* 92% of women say that reducing domestic violence and sexual assault should be at the top of any formal efforts taken on behalf of women today.
* 1 out of 3 women around the world has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime.
* 1 in 5 female high school students reports being physically and/or sexually abused by a dating partner. Abused girls are significantly more likely to get involved in other risky behaviors. They are 4 to 6 times more likely to get pregnant and 8 to 9 times more likely to have tried to commit suicide.
* 1 in 3 teens report knowing a friend or peer who has been hit, punched, slapped, choked or physically hurt by his/her partner.
* As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy.
* Violence against women costs companies $72.8 million annually due to lost productivity.
* Ninety-four percent of the offenders in murder-suicides were male.
* Seventy-four percent of all murder-suicides involved an intimate partner (spouse, common-law spouse, ex-spouse, or boyfriend/girlfriend). Of these, 96 percent were females killed by their intimate partners.
* Most murder-suicides with three or more victims involved a “family annihilator” — a subcategory of intimate partner murder-suicide.Family annihilators are murderers who kill not only their wives/girlfriends and children, but often other family members as well,before killing themselves.
* Seventy-five percent of murder-suicides occurred in the home.
And this is from the US Govt Dept of Justice website:
* Family violence accounted for 11% of all reported and unreported violence between 1998 and 2002.
* About 22% of murders in 2002 were family murders.
* Of the nearly 500,000 men and women in State prisons for a violent crime in 1997, 15% were there for a violent crime against a family member.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/fvs.htm
Don S. NY
Rudy Chato Paul, Sr. Brother
Rudy Chato Paul, Sr.
Brother Don, (I'm assuming you're a 'brother' in the gender sense), I believe you missed the point I was trying to make re education. I never intended to even suggest that 'educated people' don't abuse etc etc. The point about T&T's education is in dealing with the consequences of life, like the horn, the divorce, the death of a loved one, going to jail, losing someone in an accident etc., or even being involved in an accident yourself and losing a limb or something similar, dusting yourself off, picking yourself up and moving on.
Trinidad, I've heard it said by Trins, is the "horn capital' of the world. Like many others, I've seen the horn take place and probably even engaged in it myself. However, someone else made the point re women being viewed as 'property.' Trin men can horn, like to horn, but can't take horn. That, my brother, is the aspect of the failure of the education system I had in mind. Coupled with some alcohol, a three line (cutlass/machete) and some Gramaxone, the education system should have been (or be) able to anticipate the consequences and formulate a curriculum to deal with domestic issues. It's not yesterday this started.
That aside, Lemnme share a serious sociological joke. I was heading south to a 'cooking' and told a friend where I was going. He indicated the need to be careful 'down there' because they drink white oak and chase with cutlass. While meant to be a joke, and is, it also says a lot about a particular culture, namely the Indian, (of which I a happen to be member, no choosing of my own). That we can laugh at such says a lot about our education system. Peace
Are our men, man or manicou
Are our men, man or manicou ? That is the big question.
As I said in another blog, men must learn to take disappointment and walk. A great friend once told me that we must not allow our small hearts to rule our big bodies. If his spouse had died he would have had to do without her . So if somebody leave you or don't want to see you,please channel your energy into something useful. Do voluntary work, help a vagrant go and clean an old neighbours yard. But, please do not let your small uncontrolled heart make you do nonesense. You are supposed to be a man not a manicou.
Gloria, please call a spade
Gloria, please call a spade a spade . These murder/suicides are prevalent among the Indian populations in Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana . Recently , in "SweetT&T" an Indian business-man said he could not live without his Indian girl-friend , who was a lawyer , after she left him . The end result was another murder/suicide . Men of African extraction usually have many women so when they get horned , they beat the women and move on without killing them . Many of the Indians start their relationships very young and the men are usually very abusive to the(ir) women .
ATW - Barbados .
Wait Wiggles is Mike Samuel
Wait Wiggles is Mike Samuel Brother???????
Wiggins,where in this
Wiggins,where in this article did you come to the realisation that they were talking about indian people....Baptiste and Isaac doesn't sound Indian to me and yes, Gloria should call a spade a spade and she should also know that an ass that goes by the name Wiggins is still an ass... a racist ass.
My condolences to both
My condolences to both families but especially to the Nanan family having experience the same fate twice. No amount of words can comfort you. We as parents have to educate both our sons and daughters about the value of someone else life. In the past murder suicide was prevalent in the Indian community as quoted by another blogger but they were not educated. We are in an era now where Domestic Abuse is mentioned in the schools, on the TV on the internet men should know better. There is no excuse for what this man did.
I hope that any young lady or man in a relationship and the man or woman as much as pushes you, get out of that relationship because abusers after they have committed the act will say they are sorry and it will not happen again.Bet your bottom dollar it will happen again. He fit the profile of an abuser. He came by wanting to talk but that was premeditated murder because he came armed with a knife.
I hope this never happens again.
Yes Wiggins, I agree with
Yes Wiggins, I agree with you but I really try hard to keep away from the race business since it does not solve anything in the long run. We live in a plural society where eating roti and doubles is not the only thing we learn. The cutlass and suicide was the weapon of choice for a certain ethnic group , and many others have come to feel that violence and cry cry baby business as seen in those Bollywood movies is the way to go.But we in Trini dad not India.
Religion and civic groups as well as polititians have a lot more than race to educate the people of this country about.
I still feel that some people too soft and don't know what self control is all about.
Gloria you are just as
Gloria you are just as racist as Wiggins but I would like you to know that one race of people were taught to eat roti and doubles so that they wouldn't have to go out to murder and steal so that they could buy KFC.
The Subject for
The Subject for Discussion/Critique should be VIOLENCE.
My dear friends - my partners, I have read some of the comments put forward and I am a bit uncomfortable with the thinking/reasoning of some of our readers. This article covers domestic violence committed by a man on a woman, and I presume the mother of his children. When I look at the photograph accompanying this artile I do not see "Indian" or "otherwise". What I see is a family in turmoil. Yes, along the way the name "Nanan" appears. It may give some the impression that this is an "Indian" family, but we have lived in T&T for too long to still hold on to this type of identification and use it to promote racial agendas and slander of onother race. In the same tone, the name of the 'alledged' murderer does not reflect 'indian-ness'. Violence, and violence against women in particular crosses all lines of racial demarcation. These are 'our people' committing these acts, not 'indians' or 'otherwise'. So as a country that prides itself as being progressive, I would really appreciate reading comments addressing the subject of VIOLENCE among our people, causes, effects, and possible remedies, and once in a while leaving race out of it. We should try to be part of the solution, not create more problems. Remember we are our brothers and sisters keepers. We are not the gate keepers, judge and jury of any particular race, nor should we be. We are all children of the same God. Peace and Love!
PS: May I recomend a book for reading: PRISONS WE CHOOSE TO LIVE INSIDE - by Doris LESSING - published a while ago, but if you can put your hands on it, it will be a plus - less than 100 pages - light reading. This is a commentary on the book: "Doris Lessing addresses the question of personal responsibility in a world increasingly prone to political rhetoric, mass emotions and inherited structures of unquestionable belief. In her remarkably subtle yet forthright style, Lessing attacks inhumanity and ignorance, urging the individual to rise above the constraints of our society, to build a better world."
wiggins! just when I started
wiggins! just when I started to sweeten up to you and even, on another blog, told you how much I really respect some of your comments, you suddenly come with this Indian talk!!! The last two murder suicides were NOT involving persons of Indian descent. Wiggy, now I am wondering what your game really is. Perhaps you have it wrong and you really mean to say that many of the SUICIDES by a certain insecticide are committed by this race of people, though, I must say, not a lot in recent times. Oh God, wiggins you should not go making these rash statements about our folks man. Can you give some statistics now please, I mean some bona fide ones. thanks, J Maharaj
For goodness sake people,
For goodness sake people, stop the race talk, alyuh eh fed-up ah that yet, does it have to come into every single thought or action that we do, are we not mature or compassionate enough that we can't see beyond straight hair or curly hair??!!! Violence such as this, husband kills wife, then self, or even husband kills wife, children then self, happens in other societies also, of course this doesn't justify it happening in Trinidad or anywhere else for that matter, but the question is, why does this happen, and what is being done to stop this type of violence, especially on women and children in our country? Only last year in the UK they were asking themselves the very same question after an incident like this occurred, which followed others in previous years. I just hope in Trinidad it hasn't/doesn't become the norm, and we don't become immune to it, because we seem to just give up and accept these incidents as part of everyday life if it becomes a regular occurrence as we seem to have done with all aspects of crime.
Racism rears its ugly head.
Racism rears its ugly head. We come to these forums and lend our opinions and listen to and challenge those of our fellow contributors. We all seem to have one objective in mind - showing our concern and love for our Trinidad. Yet, when some of us choose to throw in race into the mix it does not add value. i am sure there are other forums other there for those who dont like indians or blacks or whites or chinese or... and the list goes on.
I suggest that those of you that sees life through the lens of race take up camp on those aforementioned forums and leave us true trinis here to 'opinionate' and vent and cry for the state of affairs in our beloved Trinidad in a critical but constructive manner. Don S. NY
don, notice it was our dear
don, notice it was our dear Bajan friend that started the racist talk, you are going to get reactions to those statements. Wiggins leave our Indian folks alone, we have a majority of 41% in Trinidad in case you did not know and you being so learned and stuff