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Colombian women to pay heavy fines
Five Colombian women appeared before a San Fernando magistrate yesterday, charged with entering the country illegally. Ingrid Palacios, 22, Eva Morillo, 42, Valelis Villafranca, 28, and Kisel Rodriguez, 26, pleaded guilty to the offence and were each ordered to pay a fine of $5,000 forthwith or be imprisoned for one year. Lilia Oliveros, 30, who, in addition to entering the country illegally, was charged with possession of a tampered passport, was fined $10,000 or two years in prison. When Magistrate Alicia Chankar asked the women what they were doing in Trinidad, they each said they were prostitutes. The women were held on October 15, after police officers raided the Classic Seamen Bar in Marabella, which was formerly known as the Villa Capri Hotel.
COLOMBIAN WOMEN - ILLEGAL &
COLOMBIAN WOMEN - ILLEGAL & PROSTITUTION:
It would appear that our Protective Services are playing Russian Roulette when they go out to arrest these women who enter the country illegally to engage in prostitution.
These women use the 'hotels' and 'Bars' as their House of Illrepute.
1) Why is it that the 'business' persons who are running these 'establishments' - Classic Seaman Bar, etc. are not arrested.
2) Why are the sad-excuse-for-men, who frequent these establishments and pay for sex not arrested?
3) Are 2 & 3 not illegal activities?
Until and unless all 3 vilators:- prostitute/owner/sad-excuse-for- men are arrested amd served the highest sentencing, we will never see the end to this type of 'business', but rather 'the revolving door' with these women doing what they must to enter T&T.
Or are we so short of money in T&T that we are going after these women to arrest, charge and sentence them with heavy fines; but we are letting the other 2 groups go free. We are living in the modern age and the establishment and the customer must be charged also.
Are our Police operating on some sort of sexual bias, that the men are allowed to go about their business without having to face our legal system?
We have to put a stop to this activity as these men pay for sex, and them drag their sorry souls home taking with them who knows what disease to infect their families. Our health care is already operating on empty, so we should not allow the rise of any more potential disease to spread among our people.
Would our Protective Services and Justice System do a better job at getting our people to become law abiding citizens.
Gardenia
These women are here
These women are here illegally and must be charged. The question is "why isn't investigations being conducted to uncover who brought them in and by what means?". This is the real risk not men paying for sex.
So Gardenia, two consenting ADULTS contracting for sex doesn't affect you or I in any way. That's better than rape or pedophilia. But the men paying for sex like it fall in your garden.
You've lost me completely.
You've lost me completely. iilegarachnid, you understand that you are looking at two illegal activities and saying that one should be punished and the other should be ignored? Entering the country illegally is a punishable offence and so is prostitution.
As regards the latter, and according to the Sexual Offences Act both parties are guilty - the ones actually performing the sex acts and those who are supplying the sex workers or allowing their premises to be used for these illicit transactions and living on the earnings of prostitution.
Then you make the argument that paying a prostitute for sex is better than rape and paedophilia. ALL THREE ARE ILLEGAL.
Gardenia is asking a simple and important question. If according to the Laws of Trinidad and Tobago, prostitution is illegal, why aren't brothels and the owners of these establishments being suppressed?
iilegarachnid- Thanks for
iilegarachnid- Thanks for your comments.
You seems to be an intelligent blogger, and exercised your freedom of expression. Thats good.
First of all I will answer your last statement:
YES, it fell in my garden. You see this activity is occurring in MY COUNTRY, and it is a violation of the laws of the land. Until and unless this changes, we have to remain law abiding citizens; as the laws of the jungle does not apply anymore in T&T.
There are 3 violators in this activity.
So why are only the women targetted is my question. So you see you cannot pick and choose as to which you will accept, and which you will use as as 'horse whip' to try and intimidate others for exercising their freedom to question.
Sex between two consenting adults is not a problem with me. But when you take this act outside and desire to place it in the middle of an illegal activity, then you are crossing the line, and must be held accountable for your actions.
Your attempt at justification for paying for sex, being a customer of prostitution, is better than "rape or pedophillia" have no place in this discussion as they are two separate and different issues.
Yes, go chasing after those "who brought them in and by what means?" is the real question. I have no objection to this.
HOWEVER, if we go after men who are participating in an illegal activity and are able to erase this from the equation, then there would be no need for these women to be enticed and/or be attracted to entering this country illegally. Prevention is wiser than re-action.
Prostitution is considered one of the oldest professions. So this argument is not new.
Remove the demand, and ultimately you will remove the violators from entering this country. If these women enter the country, and there are no customers/clients, that will be the cheapest and most effective deterrant: and our Police Officers can concentrate on other important violations like the CRIME problems we are facing.
Ask the Task Force how much it cost the taxpayers for them to come down to Central to arrest these women and haul them off to face our justice system. Then come back and tell me that you do not mind these men participating in an illegal activity. The fines these women may have to pay as ordered by the Courts is small change when compared to what it cost the taxpayers to cover the cost of the Anti- ?? Squad - The Police, who came down in the Task Force to arrest these women and our Justice System.
Then there is the danger of contracting diseases, some life threatening, and taking it home to unsuspecting family members; and the potential cost to our health care system.
You have had your say, and I hope that my contribution will give you another opportunity to rethink your 'Stamp of Approval'. Your attempt to cast aspersions in my direction will not unseat me.
Gardenia
Since I small, and I real
Since I small, and I real old now, I hearing stories about Villa Capri and so many other houses of ill repute.
And every so often you hear about a raid on these places but never hear about the owners being arrested or charged.
One might even think that the police, customs and immigration are all involved in this highly lucrative and illegal activity that is older than time itself.
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It is unfortunate that only
It is unfortunate that only the women are being charged. They are at the lowest end of the chain.
It is time for the police services and the legal system to apply the full force of the law to these illegal activities:
1. Publish the names of the clients in the newspapers (not just the tabloids). Put them to shame, particularly since they are putting their families health and well-being at risk.
2. Shut down and condemn the establishments. The owners clearly have no guilt about their activities, as this is clearly a money-making business. You have to hit them in the pocket books. The only way to do so is to condemn the structures so that they cannot reopen under a new name.
Seamen's Bar indeed !!
"It is time for the police
"It is time for the police services and the legal system to apply the full force of the law to these illegal activities:"
Lahiana, what you suggesting is like Calder Hart investigating UDeCOTT.
The police and so many others are on the take, "taxing" these brothels and drug blocks so that they can operate without any problems.
Epsom, agreed... I have
Epsom, agreed...
I have heard that the protective services etc. are involved in some of these activites. Just wishful thinking on my part...and hoping for some improvement to the unacceptable lifestyle of the 'rich and not so famous'.
Guess who the primary
Guess who the primary customers are?
Ask any rum shop owner,
Ask any rum shop owner, whore house owner or money lender who their biggest clients are and this will answer your question. These guys have 2 and 3 women on the side while not being able to properly service the one at home, yet go to brothels for some fun and entertainment. Utterly shameful and disgusting.
"Seamen's Bar indeed !!"
"Seamen's Bar indeed !!" Sounds more like "Semen's Bar".
It's the oldest profession in the world, and up to now no one has succeeded in eradicating it. Some countries have virtually given up trying and instead have tried to control and regulate the "industry". They find that driving the practice underground has been more harmful. Out in the open the "workers" are protected from unscrupulous "handlers" aka "pimps" and operate in a more sanitary and healthy environment.
But I agree we must not give up and we must ensure that the full force of the law is applied to all offenders in this demeaning, degrading and defiling "trade". But as long as corruption is allowed to thrive in the society, this business will carry on as usual. And in this country we have a very poor record of law enforcement. Just look at the growing number of murders and road deaths.
The Prince - You got my
The Prince - You got my attention there for a while.
Unfortunately, T&T will never be able to accept your suggestion of 'legealising' the trade. Too many scripture thumping, hell and damnation people around. We can't deal with the little problems we have, so how can we be expected to do what some First World countries have done and their solutions.
I had just completed responding to someone above, who asked me "if it fall in my garden", and came down to reading yours - and the first part of your commentary threw me for a loop. This argument is not for the 'feint hearted" or the religious right. Have a peek at my response above. I kept morality and spirituality out of it.
Gardenia
Gardenia, I had a browse of
Gardenia, I had a browse of your response to the earlier blogger. I agree with your views, but we need to also focus on the supply side of the equation and not only on the demand side. It's the same for the drug trade. Zero supply = Zero demand and vice versa (no pun intended).
Returning to my own submission, let me assure you that while referring to practice in some other countries that accepted prostitution as a necessary evil, or even part of the services sector, in no way was I advoctating such a policy for T&T. On the contrary, I endorsed the full weight of the law. That is left for the so-called sophisticated societies.
Even in the UK, I see the police are clamping down on "kerb crawlers", men who drive around certain "red light" streets seeking to pick up prostitutes. The authorities seem to have taken pity on these poor "ladies of the night" and have tried to discourage them from the trade and have not hesitated in arresting, naming and shaming the kerb crawlers. It's a risky business. Often you have cases where these women are used, abused and then murdered.
Many of these prostitutes are young and often groomed by pimps or organised crime. They get them hooked on drugs and turn them into hookers. Then to get their fixes they get more and more into selling their bodies in a vicious circle to get money or drugs to feed their habit.
There are many young girls lured by criminals in organised crime, who traffic in the flesh trade. There are gangs of Eastern Europeans and others who operate like "capo di tutti capi" in this business. They promise the girls nice jobs then enslave them and literally imprison them into a life of prostitution. They keep them like our Chinese workers, behind locked doors. Some get rescued when police break in and free them and arrest the culprits. What is happening in Trinidad is like child's play. But it should be stopped before the local or foreign mafia takes over. No room for complacency.
Trinidad law 101 - always go
Trinidad law 101 - always go after and prosecute the victims, it is much easier than trying to bring down the big fish.
Legalize prostitution,
Legalize prostitution, please.