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Daly says Law Association has spoken...
No-confidence motion passed against Jeremie
Published: 2 Jul 2009
Martin Daly
The Law Association has passed a no-confidence motion in Attorney General John Jeremie concerning his battle with former Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), Geoffrey Henderson. In a well-attended special meeting of the association at the Hall of Justice, Port-of-Spain, yesterday, lawyers voted 106-82 in favour of the motion that they have absolutely no confidence in Jeremie, who was appointed AG on May 29 for a second time. The results were announced by Martin Daly, SC, president of the Law Association at 7.20 pm on the steps of the Hall of Justice. The lawyers, by a vote of 121-67, condemned in the strongest manner, the reported attempts by Jeremie to improperly and illegally intefere with criminal prosecutions for political purposes.
The lawyers, by a vote of 127-59, condemned in the strongest manner, the reported attempts by Jeremie to undermine and threaten the constitutional independence in the office of DPP. Daly told the media: “Now that the members have expressed themselves, this is now the view of the Law Association. We have nothing to say beyond what our members have said in this motion. “I don’t think that the Law Association is going to say anything, other than what was done today. I would be surprised if the Council would say anything more on this matter at this stage.” Daly said 16 members of the profession spoke, among them senior members of the Bar. He said lawyers spoke for and against the motion. He did admit that some members raised contentious matters, which were subsequently withdrawn. He asked those members not to repeat them outside the meeting, but at least three senior lawyers spoke with reporters outside the courthouse.
“We had a very orderly meeting, as president, I am very proud that the association conducted the meeting without any bacchanal,” Daly said. Dana Seetahal, SC, did not think there was enough evidence before the association to justify the motion, in particular the one which made mention of political interference. She said: “You can’t have a motion which talks about reported attempts, you can’t condemn reported attempts, you either condemn attempts, or nothing. That motion did not fit well, but I understand the intention of the motion.” Seetahal felt Jeremie was carrying on the tradition of his predecessors in terms of how he chose to behave. She did not think a no-confidence motion was necessary.
Seetahal pointed out that her briefs came from the DPP and not the AG. Israel Khan, SC, a defender of the AG, said the lawyers made a mountain out of a molehill. “It was a storm in a tea cup,” he added. When asked what was next, a disappointed Khan said: “We would go to court, go to cocktail parties, and go to Bar dinners, that’s about it. I am not disappointed in the Law Association, I am disappointed in the young lawyers. It is the senior lawyers who spoke on behalf of the Attorney General. It was a very good debate, a level-headed debate, but the votes indicated something else.”
Khan said the country should be happy with Jeremie. “The persons who should be fearful of this attorney general are those involved in crimes and corruption, especially white-collar crimes. The resolution is based on hearsay evidence which appeared in a newspaper,” he said.
Khan said the AG never directed the DPP whom to charge. “He said the Government had expended a lot of money and why you are not charging these people? What are you doing? The DPP said he was going to charge when he is ready to charge, and that was the end of that. We have a strong DPP and a strong AG.” Desmond Allum, SC, said he does not feel anything further would happen. He said if the association was dealing with a more sensitive AG, perhaps he would resign. “That was too much to expect from this attorney general,” he said.
Too many Question Marks
Too many Question Marks
The Ag's involvement in,
1) Sat Sharma matter, he got off.
2) Rowley Matter, he got off. Integrity commission involved.
3) Panday matter, retrial ordered. Integrity Commission Involved. Chief Magistrate involved, complicated land matter. CLICO involved.
4) DPP Henderson letters, hinting at pressure to make political decisions to prosecute.
5) Lack of action into UDECOTT.
Collectively it does not look good.
Can't you see the Emperor's
Can't you see the Emperor's hand in this??
Vindictiveness, Spite and Malice are the order of the day.
Let Panday answer them for
Let Panday answer them for you. Allyuh have no business attempting to think for allyuhself. You might damage yourselves.
The law association who are
The law association who are they, and what part of the society do they represent. Where were they when the CJ was under pressure,why was the vote not called then or was I asleep.Hypocrites.
How come they get to call it now for things that happened then. It all stinks of politics all around it does not look good. Look at the make up of that gang who is represented there and where is the balance
The only people they represent are the criminals who vow to do we the public harm.I have no confidence in a law association who encourages it's members to assist criminals to get out of their crimes by any means possible, make enough money off the proceeds of blood.
The public needs to have a vote of no confidence against them especially Mr Martin Daly. All around it is spite vindictiveness and malice. they should go back to their tea parties,cocktails parties and lavish dinners till the next time when they all stop belching long enough to realise that life is happening inspite of the criminals they set free to come back and put havoc on us the "Real Society" of Trinbago.
I thought I was the only one
I thought I was the only one seeing this, the great defenders of wrongdoers, the so called "Human Rights" lawyers who help the scum of society get back on the streets have a lot of gall to vote no confidence in anyone. Let them clean up their act before judging anyone else
Which Lawyers
Which Lawyers
The vote was mixed. Lawyers who were against like Khan and Seetahal work as prosecutors and defenders. The law is not perfect. In the states through forensic evidence many people mainly blacks who were convicted of rape have had their sentence overturned. The legal system we have you are innocent until proven guilty. Khan indicated that most of the senior lawyers spoke for the AG, how can you make assumptions do you know who voted for who. There was a difference of 24 votes, so how can you objectively come to the conclusion that all the lawyers defend criminals. Firstly you are only a criminal when prosecuted. Secondly if a case is made out for a retrial the same judges that sentenced give permission for an appeal. The laws are not made by the lawyers they are made by the politicians that we vote for. If you are unhappy with the laws pick it up with the politicians. You are involved in displacement of responsibility. You are blaming one person for someone else.
I am glad that the previous
I am glad that the previous writer mentioned Barbados. Not many pay attention to the fact the the current Chief Justice of Barbados was once the Attorney General and Minister of Legal Affairs in the Barbados government. He also acted as Prime Minister of Barbados on several occassions. Is this right? Are the political connections that is assumed by many in this situation unreal? Can this happen in T&T, that a politician is appointed Chief Justice? What will we say if the law association speaks out again "Who are they are who do they represent"?
Pay attention Madam to the words of the german cleric Martin Niemoller:
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
So Madam, the law association should shut up, well I hope that when the law of the jungle is upon us, you can lead us all to the promised land otherwise I urge you to take your own advice.
It must be noted that the
It must be noted that the Law Association has no confidence in Senator John Jeremie , the AG of T&T . It does not mean that he will be removed from his post as AG because he is one of Prime Minister Manning's minions . I would like to opine that AGs , whether in Barbados or T&T , should be elected members of Parliament because they are the chief legal advisors to the government .
Israel Khan , SC , is entitled to his opinion but he must remember that the PNM accepted $20 million from CL Financial as a campaign contribution , in 2007 - so would Jeremie wants to appear ungrateful by going after any perceived wrong doings by CLF ? John Jeremie would rather go after Dr. Keith Rowley , MP for Diego Martin West , in relation to the Clever Heights project but is willing to look the other way when it comes to investigating Calder Hart and Udecott . John Jeremie believes that as a minion of the PM , he has the "power" to talk down to the DPP . The members of the Law Association voted 127 - 59 in favour of the no-confidence motion against Attorney General , John Jeremie and Prime Minister Manning should now consider removing him and making Dr.Keith Rowley the Attorney General of "Sweet T&T" .
The Law association
The Law association represent no one but themselves, and when they decide to clean up their fraternity that is bent on assisting the criminals with their attack on society then they can come to try to convince the public of something else.
Let us hear there views on crime and how to free the genuine innocent people. We will see it's membership fight for the rights of these two people who has killed that woman, we waiting for the rights of that "JUVENILE".
Money and Society standing that is all they are concerned with. They should have called a motion when all this happened. They should have called the motion when the CJ was in trouble. And where is the voice of the then DPP Martin Henderson, he has a big job now. Martin Daly is as wishy washy as he looks "Head of a Gang of Money Grubbers".
They live in a democracy and they are allowed to call their meeting, but spare us, play politics as eveything is a game to those people. Anyone for a shot of Pimms as they imitate the English, bag of monkeys.
All these things are
All these things are accurate. The Law Association has long demonstrated its position of SELF through its selective responses to selective subjects. They remain quiet on many major issues but suddenly have opinions on others... usually the political ones. This comes as no surprise. It is what you get when the head of that body has his own political agenda. The strong scent of the COP runs rampant in the Law association. While it is indeed the right of members to their political preferences, when they attempt to convert others to their politics, forcing their opinions on others, being in a fairly influential position via the courts, this cannot be correct. Especially when they make threats to withold services from the courts, further slowing the wheels of justice in the courts. It will get much more noticeable in the coming weeks. While I hold no brief for the AG and his party, his modus operandi seems to follow those who came before him. But one supposes since the advent of the COP the need to "properly define" the role of AG suddenly became important. In the coming weeks, many other things will "suddenly become important".
COP Strong Scent
COP Strong Scent
Such contempt, strong scent of COP. What about the strong scent of the PNM in,
1) The CJ trial
2) Rowley trial
3) Panday trial
4) UDECOTT non trial.
5) Teshiera issue.
6) Integrity Comission Issue
7) And others too numerous to mention.
You seem not to see PNM's misgivings, only COP and UNC. OK Hanity keep up the good work. The spins starts here, keep on spinning.
The PNM running the
The PNM running the government, idiot. Their strong scent would obviously be all over the place. As well as their misgivings. I pulling a front row seat to watch them tumble. What they get they damn well look for.
When I agree with some things the COP do, you say I am an apologist for Dookeran. When I agree with some things the PNM do, you say I am an apologist for Manning. Sweet! I am an apologist for both PNM and COP then!!!!!!! As long as I don't get lumped in the same group as the remaining sheep who support Panday... I choose LIFE!
Keep trying to pin me down as far as who you feel I supporting. I dislike all three, one more intensely than the others. I already told you that weeks ago. You just too much of Panday's yes-boy to see.
It is unfortunate that you
It is unfortunate that you cannot debate without resorting to terms like IDIOT.
The PNM running the
The PNM running the government. Their strong scent would obviously be all over the place. As well as their misgivings. I pulling a front row seat to watch them tumble. What they get they damn well look for.
When I agree with some things the COP do, you say I am an apologist for Dookeran. When I agree with some things the PNM do, you say I am an apologist for Manning. Sweet! I am an apologist for both PNM and COP then!!!!!!! As long as I don't get lumped in the same group as the remaining sheep who support Panday... I choose LIFE!
Keep trying to pin me down as far as who you feel I supporting. I dislike all three, one more intensely than the others. I already told you that weeks ago. You just too much of Panday's yes-boy to see.
It is unfortunate that you
It is unfortunate that you cannot debate without resorting to terms like IDIOT.
Yes, it is
Yes, it is unfortunate.
Fortunately, it's not something worth considering with this particular poster. And you as well for that matter. I was not attempting to debate with the poster; that requires a measure of understanding and comprehension, which he uses selectively, so I no longer debate with him. There was another UNC sycophant here last week that TWICE called someone an idiot. Where were you???? Eh? Where were your brilliant powers of observation?? But you want to see one side, so yuh lump yuhself in the same bracket. If THIS is what yuh understand, expect to be spoken to like that.
Notwithstanding all that, the fact is, it is not proper for me or anyone to make such references. So I will edit out the comment and be more judicious in making such references in the future.
Proud
Proud
Ah proud ah yuh bro. Yuh act like a real man dey.
Ah real man ent!
Ah real man ent!
I concur
I concur
I concur with your views Wiggins eloquently presented.
Yes, on this lone occasion
Yes, on this lone occasion you would!!!
Jokers!!!!!
Last I heard
Last I heard
The last I heard it is still a free country that is, until you take over. You are like your PM you carefully think over something and even if new things come up that is your final position, inflexible. No wonder you are his apologist. Disguising yourself as a COP supporter in order to keep PNM in power. I am not afraid to say I agree with someone I have even agreed with you on occasion. I think I even apologized to you. Big boys do cry. The big macho image is a facade.
Yawwwnnnnnnnn..... If I
Yawwwnnnnnnnn.....
If I "took over" how come you still able to post?
You are a walking Valium... sleep come natural when you spill your one-dimensional "thinking". To quote Panday "Wake me when it's over"...
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY. REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS FORUM!
Rienzi jus' cranking out
Rienzi jus' cranking out jokers in a quantity...
Rienzi? Not me! I between
Rienzi? Not me!
I between de devil and de deep blue sea; a rock and a hard place in dis place.
I eh jumpin' yuh gotta push mih!
The old lawyers are
The old lawyers are satisfied with the status quo. I am glad that the young lawyers are seeking changes for the better.
...JJ is a law unto
...JJ is a law unto himself....he needn't worry about those pesky lawyers and their silly motions...remember he has the backing of Israel Khan SC whose integrity cannot be challenged...JJ's sole responsibility is to protect Manning from having to account for his questionable actions and to relentlessly persecute those who Manning perceives as being a threat....
Shame on this minority in
Shame on this minority in Law Association, they have surfaced when it's convenient, a bunch of opportunists. Where are they regarding all the other serious matters facing T&T? I have no respect for them whatsoever.
Do you know?
Do you know?
That all political parties in T&T are minority parties. Maybe you did not know.
Good some people got some
Good some people got some balls, now I hope the rest of our sorry country show some support!
Pandaye calling for people to boycott the government, ok, I calling for the lawyers and judges to boycott the justice system, shut it down, now we will see how much of them in the PNM pocket.
The Business Association need to get involved now to shut down the country, We need to start somewhere, Manning need to see the people as citizens and not PNM, UNC or COP.
If the union want a voice get involved now, we have to fix it now, where all the Religious leaders?
If it don’t get fix now your children will suffer! Manning what is your choice Riot, Election or we kick out the government.
Max your days numbered! This is what you get for being a PNM supporter.
Its time Trinidad and Tobago citizens leave their political affiliations at their homes and not bring it to their jobs, Khan shut up!
Do you want to see the faces of the PNM look at the head of every organization or the people in power in Trinidad, the same people manning put there, only PNM supporters can get big jobs in Trinidad.
Interesting Strategy
Interesting Strategy
It is important that civil society become involved, we cannot hand over the country to politicians and sit by idly for five years while the destroy it. This goes for PNM, UNC, COP, RAMJACK toute bagai.
lol
lol
The justice system has
The justice system has already abandoned the law abiding people that are still left in this country and they have come down on the side of criminals all in the name of their deep pockets and status, to now call for a boycott means nothing they have already boycotted this nation for their own pockets. When you look at the make up of that thing that is the LAW ASSOCIATION you can understand why. What is the point.
These posts are so amusing.
These posts are so amusing. There are a few regulars and you can pretty much tell what their various stances will be on every issue. My, how the politicians have brainwashed and divided us.
Keeping it Clean
Keeping it Clean
One man Brainwashing is another man's derriere licking and so betwixt the both of them they keep the politics clean.