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Anti-Indian attitudes in Grenada changing
Wilber Adams, representing Indians in Grenada, broke down and cried during his contribution at the seminar on the Indian Diaspora in the Caribbean at UWI, St Augustine, yesterday.
President of the Indo-Grenadian Heritage Foundation, Adams seemed so upset while talking about the experience of Indians in Grenada, that he could not continue and took his seat. It was while telling of his brother, a professor in Grenada, who died ten months ago without being recognised, that Adams broke down. Noting that the seminar was very special for him, he asked if his brother could be posthumously honoured by the organisers.
Dr Brinsley Samaroo, chairman of the seminar, promised assistance.
Adams, a former schoolteacher, said the 3,200 Indian indentured immigrants who arrived in Grenda between 1857 and 1890 were immediately Christianised. Their descendants intermarried, had their names changed, and there was little left of Indian culture among Grenada’s Indians. He said Indians in Grenada were exposed to insults and he, personally, had been told: “Indian, go back home.”
He said the Indo-Grenadian Heritage Foundation was slowly changing anti-Indian attitudes in Grenada. “But Indians in Grenada are precariously perched on the verge of extinction.” Patrick Dial, a professor from Guyana, said for nearly two centuries Indians in that country had to fight off efforts to destroy their personalities: “The food you ate, the clothes you wore, were held in contempt and ridiculed…Indian names were a source of fun, especially in primary school. Indian customs were seen as uncivilised.”
Dial said pockets of this kind of discrimination still existed in Guyana today. Prof Ajai Mansingh, speaking on the issues and challenges for Indians in Jamaica, said Indo and Afro-Jamaicans knew nothing about Indian culture. It was only after he held exhibitions and wrote newspaper articles that Indians in Jamaica started knowing about themselves. He said former Jamaican prime minister, Edward Seaga, told him his aunt was an Indian and PJ Patterson, the present prime minister, claims his grandmother was an Indian. Mansingh said Indians contributed to the cultivation of sugar cane, rice and bananas in Jamaica and changed Jamaican diet. “Before Indians came to Jamaica, the staple diet was ground provisions. It’s now rice.”
Suriname is the only country in the Western Hemisphere where the Indian languages of Hindi and Urdu are still spoken, Narinder Mohkamsing proudly informed the seminar. He said this former Dutch colony remained isolated, linguistically and culturally, from the rest of the Caribbean. Mohkamsing said the former colonial authorities, in their bid to have Indians remain in Suriname after their indentureship, helped Indian culture grow and thrive: “They opened scores of ‘coolie’ schools and even brought teachers from India.” He said there was a growing tendency among young Hindustanis in Suriname, however, to give up the Indian languages.
Very
Very Interesting.
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I think it is time to do
I think it is time to do somethink to end the hostilities towards People of different ethnic backgrounds.One is free to call himself whatever he wants.I believe it is the day in Trinidad & Tobago and also Grenada, Guyana etc.that for those born in these places recognise that they are natives of these lands and not India or Africa etc.I for one is of African decent but object to the belief that I am African.I am Trini fullstop.My allegience is to Trinidad and Tobago.
I agree that everyone should respect their ethnical background,but not inherit it,for we have our own to build.We cannot be strong as a nation if we don't stand as one.Our background can be sn ingredient used towards that building.
In my opinion Indian Arrival Day,Emancipation and similar Days should all come together and stage Trinidad & Tobago Day,Guyana Day,Jamaican Day,Grenada Day or whatever it may be.Iam confident that we will understand each other and Live more in harmony,simply because we will all become ONE.
What this learned man
What this learned man talking about? P.J.Patterson is not the present Prime Minister of Jamaica. "Movie star" Bruce Golding is the
present Prime Minister of Jamaica.
Correction Provided You are
Correction Provided
You are sharp. The purpose of this gathering was not to discuss Prime Ministers of Jamaica, but rather to talk about the history of Indians. Someone erred, they slipped, its human. Correct information:- Mr. P. J. Patterson was the Prime Minister of Jamaica from 1992 t0 2002, having served his country for 10 years.
Very informative! Excuse
Very informative!
Excuse me..If you took the time to read you surely would not have missed that he said former prime minister and not current..
Why do some folks focus on
Why do some folks focus on trivial mistakes and would not recognize the true purpose of the discussion?
Like dey fraid to do so or what???
Also, it is likely that the mistake about the current Prime Minister of Jamaica was made by the reporter and not by the gentleman who was being quoted.
Cool it - Hey guys, my
Cool it -
Hey guys, my response was simple 'tongue in cheek'. Have a nice day.
RE: the reference to
RE: the reference to "coolie" schools, I remember that Dr. Eric Williams once referred to the Hindu schools built in Trinidad by the Maha Saba as "cow sheds."
Exactly what I have been
Exactly what I have been saying, the Indians are the footballs of the Caribbean to be made fun off. When you reverse the argument why? What country in Africa are we proud of as being part of our heritage? What advancements?. This is a non argument. It is because the Indians do not and would not stand and fight their cause and then why should they?, educated people in govt should see what is going on? The first real visible change is turning Indians Arrival Day to Arrival Day- Phase I. Then one columnist wrote about douglarisation, continuous PHASE II. Its a sad state of affairs. yes we were called coolies in the past but we dont respond, yet only in our local village songs.
These same "cow sheds"
These same "cow sheds" produced brilliant doctors, lawyers, teachers and other professionals. It really didn't matter to them as the education that they received was much more important than the design or construction of the buildings where they were educated.
While this might be an emotional or even touchy subject for many, every single person in the Caribbean is connected one way or the other to a person of Indian heritage. Apart from their culture, Indian people have shared their foods with everyone. Its one of the greatest equalizer I think, because its difficult to get vex or argue while sharing a meal. Tell me who doesn't love snacking on a kurma (no, not kumar) or a sweet gulab jamoon?
'Coolie' is only derogatory
'Coolie' is only derogatory in Trinidad and Tobago. Subject to correction, a coolie in India is a person who carries load or 'tote load'.
As far as the Presbyterian missionaries are concerned, beginning the latter part of the 1800s they established schools in the rural districts in Trinidad specifically to educate East Indians and convert them into Christianity at one and the same time. Many of their primary schools were called 'CMI', acronym for 'Canadian Mission Indian' school, also called 'Indian School'. Now they are simply called Presbyterian Schools.
May I add that the Presbyterian schools are among the finest schools in TT, top among them are secondary schools such as Naparima College, Naparima Girls High School, St Augustine Girls' High School, Iere High School.
Trinidad Indians have had a different experience from Grenadian Indians.
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Dr. Eric E. Williams, god
Dr. Eric E. Williams, god bless his soul, was a very intelligent man.He very well knew how to manipulate the mass for his political gains. I believe that the "doc" got his Ph.d in History from, I'm exactly not sure at this moment, from a Univ. in Washington,D.C. I also believe that he got his degree during mucho segregation in the U>S. He was short-sighted in that respect.
Dr. Eric E. Williams, god
Dr. Eric E. Williams, god bless his soul, was a very intelligent man.He very well knew how to manipulate the mass for his political gains. I believe that the "doc" got his Ph.d in History from, I'm exactly not sure at this moment, from a Univ. in Washington,D.C. I also believe that he got his degree during mucho segregation in the U>S. He was short-sighted in that respect.
Indians in the Caribbean As
Indians in the Caribbean
As we are constantly on the move, learning something new and valuable each day, it is also very important for us to learn about our past history. Knowing our past helps us to understand who we really are, and how we came to be in the position we are in today, and that of our people, and it assists us in moving forward without missing pieces of the puzzle. In the Caribbean, many of our peoples were robbed of their identity by their colonial masters who felt it was essential to erase our past and write on a new slate. But it served their purpose. We were made to feel ashamed of our identity - Indian indentured servants and African slaves. We were brainwashed to believe that who and what we were, were somehow 'uncivilised'. (#1:- I attended an Exhibit some years ago entitled - "Out of Africa" and there for all the world to see were photographs of native Africans in their natural setting - wearing little or no clothing, with the caption "uncivilised" and next to it another with natives dressed in European clothing, with the caption "Civilised'. It was the record of history, good, bad or indifferent. #2:- While at school in the U.K. in the 70's, a classmate from Ghana shared the following with me - Her brother was attending college in St. Agustine and on Sundays would wear his African Garb. She said that he felt humiliated when persons of African descent would shout words to him such as 'Congo Man' in a derogratory fashion.) So you see, we in the Caribbean have a history that many of us today, would change if we could. We therefore must not repeat the mistakes of the past. We must listen carefully to those who came before, when they share their experiences with us, because personal history is more reliable than that which we find in many of our text books from years gone by. History books were published with information the writers wanted to preserve, not always the truth, showing our 'rulers/masters' in a favourable light. We must never try to 'muzzel' others when they share their experiences of this nature. We may learn valuable lessons from them. This seminar addresses Indians, but other races can follow theirs as they desire. As citizens of T&T and the rest of the Caribbean, it is vital for us to learn not only about ourselves, and our history, but also that of the other races living among us. Who knows, it may even assist us in becoming more appreciative of our similarities and our differences. We may live in small islands/countries, but the world is our oyster to explore. We must be proud and appreciative of who and what we are because it is the only self we have, and no one can take it away from us. Mr. Samaroo, keep up this important work.
....now only if these
....now only if these anti-Indian attitudes will change among some Indians themselves.......
Gardenia, you are so right.
Gardenia, you are so right. I wish more people would be an openminded as you. I agree that we can all learn something about others if we would just give ourselves a chance. We must open our hearts and minds to new things and not be as closeminded as many of us are on issues of race and ethnicity. This is even more true especially in a small nation state as TnT. We live on an island (2) with no where else much to go. I don't see many East Indians packing up for the return trip to India nor do I see many Afro-Trinis packing up to return to Africa. Even as we have many who support that idea, it has not caught on.
So we had better learn to appreciate and respect each other and find ways to get along with our national brothers and sisters. This is our piece of heaven on earth, like it or not. So regardless of what the politicians may say and do, and what they might incite, let us not go down the race road and ead up like Serbia, Sudan, and the other countries that have true "ethnic cleansing."
There is also anti-indian
There is also anti-indian attitude in my land- Trinidad also .Its like no one wants to say anything. I understand and you would not believe but all of us indians know its because we are superior , smarter , richer (or we do know how to make money) , we also have a culture, traditions, and we care for our family and provide for their future , so all you anti -indians put that in your pipe and smoke it.
why do we feel we are better
why do we feel we are better then our Indian brothers and sisters.
Look around you my friends and see who is mugging who. Most of my friends are of Indian race and believe me they are always there for you when you need help.
What did Shakespeare said?-
What did Shakespeare said?- Call a rose by any other name and it smells just as sweet. Those perjorative terms use to describe a race of people is totally unacceptable. Nonetheless, you can call me by whatever name you want because:
I'm handsome.
I'm educated.
I'm intelligent.
I'm healthy.
I'm rich.
I'm happy.
So, you feel free to call me whatever name(S) you want but remember, your opinion does not count.
You all right?
You all right?
Yea all you anti-indian with
Yea all you anti-indian with your big attitude when you come to the USA remember that you are African .I have seem so many of my African friends shocked when they come up here and the way they are treated and cannot do anything about it , after those experiences they get so humble , then realty sets in and they all change.I just smile remember GOD DO NOT SLEEP
Only when I am angry I read
Only when I am angry I read Trinidad newspapers and when I read nonsense like this I duly reply. So where shall I start.
The above comment is right. What has happened, those Africans were born into an era where they perceived white culture as being theirs’. They therefore perceived Indian culture as being inferior. Only until they are (shall we say) exposed to the truth, they are noticeably humbled, very much ashamed etc at themselves.
In primary school, a teacher told an Indian pupil to go to the pundit and have her name translated into English. Another one is: the African pupils in an equally mixed primary school said that Indian people can’t march. I was so fortunate enough to return and see a whole group of African children “marching”, hands swinging, laid back and half-dead. If that was considered to be marching then no wonder Indian children couldn’t do that.
Manning told an American
Manning told an American that the Indians in T&T were giving him trouble \ and he did not know what to do again. the American said to follow the American example and send them back to the reservation (joke, ha ha )
What if we were to put you
What if we were to put you back in chains like the white man did.
ha ha ha