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PNM membership list remains secret
Left: Rose Janiere Right: Justice Vasheist Kokaram
A computer-generated list, showing the names of members of the ruling People’s National Movement (PNM), turned up in court yesterday. But the list was never made public. No one saw the list, just Rose Janiere, the assistant general secretary of the PNM.
Janiere said she worked late into Monday night with others to compile that list. On Monday, at the request of English Queen’s Counsel Geoffrey Robertson, Janiere was directed by Justice Vasheist Kokaram to produce the list of members of the PNM for scrutiny by the court. Robertson was representing UNC political leader Basdeo Panday and his wife Oma, in a judicial review case brought against Magistrate Ejenny Espinet. Janiere turned up yesterday morning with the list. So, too, did Michael Quamina, attorney for the PNM. Quamina said: “This is an extremely serious matter. The members of the PNM have a right to their privacy. They would not want their names to be put out there. What made it worse was the headlines in the newspapers—in the Guardian, “Panday to get PNM membership list,” and in the Newsday, “Who is PNM?” Quamina said the court was really interested in three names—Alexander Chamberlain Alexis, John Jeremie and Ejenny Espinet. Kokaram asked about the trustees of the Morris Marshall Foundation. Quamina suggested that the judge be the person to peruse the list, or alternatively, the senior lawyers on both sides. Robertson felt that his juniors, who included UNC Oropouche West MP Mickela Panday, should have a look at the list.
Douglas Mendes, SC, who represented Espinet, said: “The concern is that Ms Panday is a member of the UNC and a member of Parliament...that’s it.” Kokaram decided that in the interest of privacy of the members of the party, the list would not been seen by the lawyers in the case. He did not even want to peruse the document. He put the list in the hands of Janiere, after which questions were asked of her. By that time, Robertson was on his way to Piarco Airport to return to London for the historical opening of the Supreme Court of the UK. One of Panday’s lawyers, Anand Beharrylal, asked about certain names, none of which were on the PNM membership list. Those included Espinet and her father, Alexis, who was a former minister in the Eric Williams Government. The list was then returned to Janiere to be taken back to Balisier House. Panday, the Leader of the Opposition, and his wife are charged with accepting a bribe of 25,000 pounds sterling from businessmen, Ishwar Galbaransingh and Carlos John. He said the committal proceedings began before Espinet on May 31, 2006. It was not until February 12, 2008, that the Pandays received information that the magistrate was a trustee and treasurer of an organisation named the Morris Marshall Development Foundation in Laventille.
They argued that the magistrate never disclosed her involvement in the foundation to any of the parties before her. Mendes, in his submissions, said Espinet was invited to sit on the foundation, to better the lives of people living in a depressed society. He said that Espinet, who came from Laventille, became involved to help the people out of poverty. That was her sin, Mendes argued. “She was introduced to the foundation by John Jeremie, who has been a member of the PNM since 1995..There is no evidence of the magistrate sharing any political view with the PNM.” Kokaram will give his decision on October 22.
Yes he is right - PNM
Yes he is right - PNM Members have a right to their privacy, Udecott, Hart etc have a right too. If you not friends with the right people is %$#@ for you, no privacy for you... I love my country.
BTW - "WOrked late into monday night with others..." Just go File, Print, go have a coffee and come back and bind the list. This does not add up. Crooks
Was the List Altered ???. It
Was the List Altered ???.
It is quite possible that some of those "late hours" worked by the "good lady" might have been spent removing certain names from the list.
Yuh tink dem PNM people stoopid???
Look how dey ripping off the country, right under everybody's eyes.
Remember! There is always
Remember! There is always two list made, One for show and tell, The other, for Internal use.The Honorable Judge, knew quite well about this process.
Remember! There are always
Remember! There are always two list made, One for show and tell, The other, for Internal use.The Honorable Judge, know quite well about this process.
...asked about certain
...asked about certain names, none of which were on the PNM membership list. Those included Espinet and her father, Alexis, who was a former minister in the Eric Williams Government.
How difficult is it to remove a few names before presenting the list??
Jumbie's Watch
Answer: In Bobol Kindgom -
Answer: In Bobol Kindgom - very easy!
Learn to spell Indian, like
Learn to spell Indian, like yuh still in the cane fields?
Mr. Manning no time for
Mr. Manning no time for games, told you that you have to many people angry!
Here is SuperTrini on UNC Nothing Yet! Thank you to TV 6 Also for getting the people voice out.
http://uncnothingyet.ning.com/video/supertrinis-united-rally-on
Hope you all paying attention!
All very bizarre, even the
All very bizarre, even the request for the list in the first place. If Ms Espinet showed any political bias in the case, and the the defence could show this, couldn't they then either seek to abort the trial at that point or appeal the magistrate's decision at the end of the trial?
Even if Espinet continues to refuse stubbornly to recuse herself from hearing Panday's matter, she would now have to display unquestionable unbias.
There is no doubt that Panday has been singled out for political persecution/prosecution, but he has brought some of this on himself. Justice delayed is justice denied. So, let the matter proceed expeditiously.
If any of the incumbents in the present regime are suspected of misbehaviour in office, let them too be investigated and hauled before the Courts. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Good Morning, Sir: Bright
Good Morning, Sir:
Bright eyed and bushy tailed today?
You have raised some interesting stuff.
Have a nice day.
Ethnic cleansing for
Ethnic cleansing for breakfast anyone, interesting Pandora box to open this early in the morning!
Since we in an investigation mood and hauling some people before the court so early in the morning, how about we start today off with Manning and Hart, We can throw in the MOF as a bonus to the hang man.
The Prince - Call to
The Prince - Call to Breakfact:-
You opened your Pandora's Box and found the mystery recipe?
You can start with your ghools and goblins B/F from today.
But, I will have patience, and wait for another month for halloween.
In the meantime Oatmeal for B/F.
Will join you guys later. Enjoy your day.
- And remember that "the 10 Commandments is not a multiple choice."
Gardenia, I always wake up
Gardenia, I always wake up bright eyed and bushy tailed, but never put my tail between my legs.
I can assure you that it was not my intention to set the cat among the pigeons and I tried to be measured in what my views were, having regard to sensitivities, and hoping my friends would read every word carefully. But this is the picture I see from where I stand. I'm sure that others would see it differently, but I've always endeavoured to try to put things in perspective, regardless where the chips might fall, often accused of being the devil's advocate.
Please enjoy your breakfasses and have a good day!
Ryan4Party:- I am sure this
Ryan4Party:-
I am sure this bunch accept your invitation to B/F.
Seeing that it is now late in the day, is the invite open for tomorrow?
Can we bring our own brown bag B/F as the menu scares me.
I digress: Wire-tapping is in the news? Legislation to come.
- Simply type in Fusion Centre in your search engine and have a read, especially Criticism.
Have a nice day.
Now this is one Pandora box,
Now this is one Pandora box, I will enjoy opening with anyone, but most people don’t have the cohunes to deal with it, but this Pandora box is the only thing that offers the true present vision of our country.
The invitation is open to anyone, for bf, lunch and dinner, or just a late night snack, it will be open in the summer, spring, fall and winter, hope eventually I will have some intellectual takers
These are very muddled
These are very muddled proceedings to say the least.
Are I looking at this sitution of Magistrate Espinet as somewhat similar to that of Mr. Israel Khan's appointment and work on the Uff Commission of Enquiry? The question of bias is being raised now, and perhaps it is better to err on the side of caution to not only be fair, but have the appearance of fairness, as it could raise further road blocks along the way.
Or am I comparing apples and oranges?
This case has long legs, and may have a long way to go yet.
The computerised list is certainly a non-issue, as any computer wiz kid can produce a list that to the average eye would appear to be legitimate, but in fact was doctored to add and delete to suit one's need.
A legal mind can perhaps help us with some analysis.
Let the games continue.
Gardenia, I think there is a
Gardenia, I think there is a difference between Israel Khan and Ejenny Espinet. Khan allowed himself to get carried away during proceedings, and to compound it and make matters worse went on to pen a long diatribe to the Press, copying it to all and sundry, if the old memory is not clogged up with plaque. In Espinet's case, apart from being the daughter of a founding member of the PNM and reportedly the patron of some past Laventille MP's memorial foundation, allegedly introduced to it by the notorious Jeremy, I'm not sure she ever expressed any view that might be construed to be biased against Panday.
Red herrings are the very thing we are objecting to in the UDECOTT's matter before the Uff Commission. In an attempt to "thwart" the work of the Commission, Hart & co. are resorting to any manner of obstructionist tactics and devices. Only difference, taxpayers paying for these antics.
But given all the hullaballo surrounding the matter, maybe Espinet should help out and recuse herself, so that the case can continue without further distractions. I'm sure that Panday would want this long drawn-out matter to come to a conclusion, especially if it would help clear his name.
I agree with you Prince with
I agree with you Prince with the exception of "Panday would want this long drawn-out matter to come to a conclusion,especially if it would help clear his name"(presuming of course that you mean "to come to a Quick conclusion).I do not believe that Panday wants this to come to a quick conclusion.He and his cohorts' history would clearly show that.When this episode is over there would be another one as soon as the facts start revealing themselves.On another point though.If we are going to start debating the "political","social" ties of Judges and Magistrates in Trinidad & Tobago does it follow that no "politician" or anyone charged with anything that seems to be "political" (a la Quei Tung and the airport gang)can have a fair trial? Honestly, do we believe that Judges and Magistrates do not exercise their right to vote in elections and they take one side or another. If, as a lawyer stated, the honourable Espinet can have "daddy issues" and that can be taken seriously, then every single Judge and Magistrate can have various issues, from the law firms they worked with, to who gave them their professional breaks.Where would this argument of biasness end.
Gardenia, your
Gardenia, your interpretation of my meaning is absolutely correct. And I believe that the public would want to see a "quick" conclusion to this matter and the others hanging over Mr Panday's head. Depending on the final verdict, he either moves in, moves up or moves out.
And I intended to add, but you did it for me, that in such a small country as ours almost everyone knows everyone else, or knows someone who knows someone or is related to someone or knows someone who is related to someone and so we can go on and on. So where do we draw the line?
I am confident that if the magistrate is influenced by bias in her findings, the Appeal Court would set aside any conviction, as was the case when they did just that when the Chief Magistrate handed down a guilty verdict and sentenced Panday to the maximum sanction, including imprisonment. The Appeal Court then ordered a new trial, if I'm not mistaken, allowing Panday to resume his seat in Parliament from which he was suspended by virtue of his conviction. The point is justice will prevail in the end.
Corrections may be the order
Corrections may be the order of the day.
My Prince, have a look at the person who sent you the response.
I think it is SALMO. He might feel slighted that you address your response to the wrong name.
The info was interesting to read though.
If I am not mistaken an exchange similar to this was raised previously when the issue came out.
Got to rush. Gardenia - the Flower Child
Sorry about that.
Sorry about that.
Phew!!! For a moment I
Phew!!!
For a moment I thought that I was going to be exposed if the list was made public.
http://dsaltsman.blogspot.com/
Don't hold your breath. If
Don't hold your breath. If hackers could break into White House and Pentagon computer records, Balisier House's own is not impregnable, snake or no snake.
I HAVE THE LIST
I HAVE THE LIST -
And I am not on it. There must be some mistake.
The list has been
The list has been "sanitized".
PNM today PNM tommorrow PNM
PNM today PNM tommorrow PNM forever!
JJ say the proper word is
JJ say the proper word is 'redacted'.
Jumbie's Watch
Jumbie's Watch you're a real
Jumbie's Watch you're a real classic oui!
But with this list it has to be redacted first and then sanitized.
You can do it in any order!
Hackers:- If a teenager
Hackers:-
If a teenager (from Ireland?) can hack into the computers of BILL GATES, the main man of Microsoft and take his personal info. - credit card, and order Prescription Drugs (viagra)and have it shipped to Bill, this 'bird of paradise' even with the snake on guard cannot prevent a wiz kid who simply wants to prove that he can ...
To hack the systems is not
To hack the systems is not the issue, the issue is the motivation, and lately specific people have been creating the motivation. I think today since some people are so smart, I will issue an open invitation on http://www.astalavista.com/ let’s see what the hackers around the world think about our millions dollars in spy equipment. Now I hope the PNM knows you can never erase information that is put on a computer even if you delete it.