Tuesday February 9th, 2010
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Manning strikes back at Diego Martin West MP…
PM: I’m drunk on God
Published: 22 Oct 2009
Prime Minister Patrick Manning quotes from the Bible in Parliament yesterday. Photo: Marcus Gonzales
Prime Minister Patrick Manning says sacked Trade Minister Dr Keith Rowley and Opposition MP Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj are part of a conspiracy to bring down his Government. Manning made the claim during his contribution to yesterday’s House debate on a bill to validate the work of the Uff Commission of Enquiry into the Construction Sector.
The bill was passed with the support of all 36 MPs present as the Opposition kept its word to vote for the legislation. “What you thought was RamjackG (UNC faction of Ramesh Maharaj, Jack Warner and Winston “Gypsy” Peters) is now RamjackG and Rowley. “That is what it is. Mr Speaker they are destructive in the UNC. They are trying to destroy the UNC and now they’re trying to destroy the PNM. But no such thing will happen,” Manning insisted.
The boss of all bosses
He said he “saw the tag-team relationship” between Rowley and Maharaj. “The method of operation, as the MP for Tabaquite knows, is a method that is not unfamiliar to me. It is a method that resulted in the fall of a Government in 2001,” Manning said. He added: “I have known it for sometime. I was only waiting to see how it would manifest itself. “It has begin to manifest itself and what we are seeing is an attempt to destroy the UNC and now an attempt to destroy the PNM and the man in control is capo di tutti capi (an Italian Mafia for the boss of all bosses). At this point, Rowley got up and asked Manning to identify “which brand he was drinking” so that he, Rowley, could avoid drinking it.
Manning hit back, with Bible in hand: “The brand from which I was drinking was the Holy Bible.” Rowley then shouted from his seat: “That is blasphemy. That is blasphemy.” Manning then asked his former minister: “You believe you are God? Let God decide that.” Manning added: “If I appear to be drunk, Mr Speaker, I am drunk on God.” Manning said Rowley was absent from a PNM meeting for election candidates years ago to discuss aspects of the Bible. He then read First Corinthians 13 to Rowley and other legislators. “If I could speak all the languages of the earth and of angels but didn’t love others I will only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal,” he said. He then asked: “How did my friend sound on Monday?” Manning said Rowley “is consumed in hate. He is consumed in acrimony, he is consumed with animosity and that can’t do my dear friend. Love changes everything.”
Not aimed at Hart
He said all the attacks led by Rowley and Opposition politicians against Udecott were not really aimed at the company’s executive chairman Calder Hart but the Prime Minister and his Government. “That is what they are after and they can’t understand how this Government has not yet fallen. And let me tell you we shall not fall, we shall not fall.” Manning said. He earlier displayed Tuesday’s Guardian front page which had a picture of Dr Rowley in Parliament. Looking at it Manning said: “Mr Speaker I see hate, I see bitterness, I see acrimony, I see animosity and I see a man completely out of control. That is what I see! And that problem is not a new problem to me, you know. I was aware of the tendency of the member to go out of control since 1987.”
Manning said several years ago former PNM general secretary the late Nello Mitchell, “told me I can’t deal with (then) Senator Rowley because of his attitude.” He said: “It is from 1996 onwards that I noticed an unbridled attitude that would do none of us any good. Something happened in 1996, I don’t know what it is. I ain’t any doctor.” Manning said Rowley’s behaviour had affected the Government of T&T. He said Rowley’s dismissal as Trade and Industry Minister had nothing to do with Udecott. “The minute you oppose my good friend (Rowley) he gets very, very angry and if you oppose him, very strongly he becomes a raging bull. We just were not prepared to accept that (behaviour),” Manning said.
“Mr Speaker, you don’t know the trouble which I see. I have had to live with that (behaviour) for 12 years. I took it in silence. I didn’t complain to anybody but last year I had enough of it.” Manning said. He said he could not have allowed Rowley to remain in Cabinet and adversely influence the many new Ministers. “When he cannot have his way Mr Speaker, his method is to bully you. That is what I fought against. That is why his appointment (as minister) was terminated. We do not tolerate bullying in the secondary school system. We not tolerating it in the Cabinet.” He told Rowley: “When you carry on with the amount of hate that you have it impairs your judgement.”
Manning said: “They want Udecott so badly, Mr Speaker, that they don’t care what methods they use.” He then claimed that Udecott critics were hoping the evidence of Carl Khan, the ex-husband of Sherrine Hart (now the wife of Calder Hart), would cause the company to fail. Manning said they prefer to rely on the evidence of “a jilted lover,” to support their cause. “Those divorce proceedings in the court were so acrimonious that the proceedings remain sealed to this day,” he stressed. Manning said he hoped the nation would have seen Rowley in full flight on Monday as “a man out of control and now better understand why I had to act the way I did to protect my Government.”
COME ON UNC
COME ON UNC -
You are losing the bacchanal derby. PNM getting all the headlines. Where are Jack and Ramesh when you need them? You all have to stay in the headlines at all cost even if it means streaking down Frederick Street in high heeled shoes. Start some cuchur quick.
Panday yuh ain't say nothing controversial lately. How yuh expect Guardian to sell? What the calypsonians go sing? Yuh causing unemployment. Is this civil disobedience, behave yuhself and cause a disturbance please.
Unfortunately, Prime
Unfortunately, Prime Minister Manning fails to see his own faults, he is vindictive, jealous of Rowley oratory skill, and most important he know that if he had to campaign for the leadership of the party by going to the rank and file of the PNMites he would not be the leader of the party.
Fairplay its people like you
Fairplay its people like you who haveTrinidad in the third world why for once can you focus on the tyrant that is manning.UNC have been out of power for nearly a decade so all the country's woes accrue to the PNM
or are you one of those who people who settles to eat salt and rice ,a urp job and the odd balisier waving in Eddie hart grounds.Come on wake up from your slumber of ignorance
LOOSEN YOR BRITCHES
LOOSEN YOR BRITCHES -
This is obviously the first of my blogs you have read, it is interesting that I am usually accused of being a UNC supporter. I really am a T&T supporter. I belong to no party. I am happy to be an equal opportunity offender. There are deficiencies in all parties and we must be able to call them out when necessary. Both parties at this point have upheavals. This was actually a tongue in cheek picong at our politicians in general and depending on your loyalties it could fall in either garden. Fair and balanced.
PS: I am self employed with my own business, free of political patronage. I am Independent enough to speak my mind.
I had no idea that
I had no idea that Fairplay's right name was Patrick Manning and after we blogging together so long...thank for the info iane.
Iane, you have the complete
Iane, you have the complete wrong idea of this "fairplay". He is this forum's chief Basdeo Panday apologist, which he himself acknowledged devoid of all sarcasm. He claims to be an "equal rights" defender but has never once defended the PNM or the COP. Not that the PNM should be defended, that would be crazy. Point is, those "equal rights" he boasting about apply only to the party whose leader and his wife facing several court cases for very serious charges of corruption and misbehaviour in public office. He likes to complain about both the PNM and COP but is people like him that keeping Panday in place, supporting the very obstacle to that which can finally remove the PNM, and replace them with a gov't who could bring charges of corruption and misbehaviour to the PNM. There... now you better informed.
....this is an embarrassing
....this is an embarrassing tirade, holy book, scriptural passage and all, the makings of megalomania....this doesn't become a prime minister....
All that's missing in this
All that's missing in this equation is his spiritual guide (d' obeah woman)
Stewpeas,why yuh want to
Stewpeas,why yuh want to involve me in the man's shameless tirade, I have meh reputation to upkeep yuh know...lol.
LoL - you are much more
LoL - you are much more reputable than the one I'm referring to.
If the Archbishop of
If the Archbishop of Port-of-Spain, the Anglican Bishop of Trinidad and Tobago, the Heads of all the other Christian Denominations in the nation, the Presidents of all Theological Institutes in Trinidad and Tobago, the Pastors of non-denominational churches, and the Chairman of the Council of Churches of Trinidad and Tobago do not censure Prime Minister Manning swiftly, strongly, sternly and firmly, then this may be among the last opportunities to tame this raging monster-in-the-making, and God help Trinidad and Tobago thereafter. This was a shameful, egregious abuse of scriptures, an abuse of religion, an abuse of Parliament and an abuse of a fellow honorable member of the house. Prime Minister Manning is NO LONGER my Prime Minister. He should be acutely ashamed of himself, but it is evident he has absolutely no shame. Who, exactly does this man think he is? Evidently he thinks himself something other than our Chief SERVANT. Libraries of the world are replete with volumes of evil done in the name of religion, and especially by national leaders. Wake up, Trinidad and Tobago! This man is dangerous! He is a pleasant-looking man - good-looking indeed, quoting scriptures like a true sheep, in prophetic tones, and he is even well-dressed! We all know what the Bible says about "sheep", "clothing" and "prophets" in the same sentence. For the uninitiated, it is in Matthew 7:15. Shameful! Mr Manning! Repent!
manfriday
AT WHAT RISK
AT WHAT RISK -
To risk all the government subventions. These Denominations are first and foremost a business worshiping at the altar of their new GOD, MONEY.
"He is a pleasant looking
"He is a pleasant looking man",really??? the man does look pure evil, watch good nah.
My Message to PM
My Message to PM Manning:
"Religion is to do right. It is to love, it is to serve, it is to think, it is to be humble" (Ralph Waldo Emerson).
It is not be be used as a convenient tool to justify and mask corruption, wrong doing and tyranny.
The citizens of Trinidad and Tobago are mainly religious people with strong beliefs in their individual faiths. PM Manning knows this and is playing on this, now at this desperate moment in his political life.
After seeing the clip on the
After seeing the clip on the news last night and reading this story, You have hit the nail on the head.
I felt ashamed to see the Prime Minister behave with such desperation.
What was worse was the larger than life lady sitting behind him laughing away as if she was in the front seat of one of Learie Joseph's comedy festival.
God save us all...
http://dsaltsman.blogspot.com/
Epsomsalts take a look at
Epsomsalts take a look at this: -
http://tastybooze.com/2009/07/church-goers-are-drunk-on-god/
This is just a different version of yesterday.
WoW! So the term "Drunk on
WoW! So the term "Drunk on God" does in fact exist.
The Hon. Prime Minister of
The Hon. Prime Minister of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, Sir,
"If you do not tell the truth about yourself
you cannot tell it about other people."
....(Virginia Woolf)
Gardenia
"Brevity is the soul of
"Brevity is the soul of wit". (Shakespeare's Hamlet).
Good Day, MiLady, I see you have your PM on the run. Just imagine all those Ambassadors writing home about all this bacchanal going on so close to CHOGM. Imagine when the Queen and those Heads of State & Heads of Government come next month, they will be watching their host cokeyeyed and sniggering behind his back. And you know how Prince "Foot-in-mouth" Philip like to throw picong and buss fatigue. No amount of megalomania, gravitas and hubris could save Mr Man this Summit around.
I won't be surprised if he charters a private jet and goes to all those 51 or how many world leaders to assure them that it safe to come to POS, no crime, no swine flu, no corruption, no slavery no nothing period. In fact he doesn't really need Macfarlane. He, Imbert, Karen, Browne, Hamid and all those other clowns could put on a true Trini pappyshow at the spanking new Performing Ars Academy with background supplied by the Divine Echoes or whatever you call that group of minstrels. Right there you save at least $100,000 from the half-billion budget.
Do you think things will settle down by then and the country will show them a united face? The Unions already promising to make things hot, so if they succeed others might follow fashion.
The Prince.
The Prince - Good Evening I
The Prince - Good Evening
I see you guys had a field day.
I kept myself busy. Did not respond earlier as I did not want to get into the 'quick step' and 'samba' going on!
I think someone is really loosing their marbles or rocks ...Take care
Gardenia
What a pathetic performance
What a pathetic performance of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. Sounds like despair and doom is already setting in, the plaintive cries of a drowning man clutching at a straw, sucked in by the Hart Udecott vortex into the mire, fires and brimstone of Hell. Political rigor mortis, political dead man walking, refusing to lie down.
Imagine Manning feeling sorry for UNC. He must really have a deal with Panday. He is blaming RamjackG for destroying the UNC and now RamjackGRow for trying to mash up the PNM. How come he was gloating and enjoying him self when RamRalSud were mashing up the UNC in 2001?
Come on, Manning, you can do better than that. And please stop desecrating the Bible.
We are a desperate set of
We are a desperate set of people we have a pastor cu##% wanabe as PM.
KRAM, MY CITIZEN BROTHER, we
KRAM, MY CITIZEN BROTHER, we have identified the fact that our current status is that of 'desperateion' in having a 'pastor ...' for a P.M..
Now what are we going to do to make a turn around to one of authentic 'HOPE' for this country? The power is in our hands....
Have a nice day.
Gardenia
Totally inappropriate and
Totally inappropriate and unacceptable - the Prime Minister of a secular nation lecturing in Parliament from the Bible...
Expect a public outry on this.
It does not matter how 'religious' we are as citizens or as a country, we want to see a separation of elected officials from religion. Otherwise, where does this take us ? If the PM wants to worship and quote the Bible, there is a place for that. It's called Church, not Parliament !! If the PM wants to lead religions instruction classes, he needs to quit his day job and become another type of Minister - a religious one.
A large segment of the population of this country have strong religious beliefs, which influence our day-to-day behaviour (e.g. goodwill towards others). However, what we do not like is an 'abuse' of the scriptures when it is convenient to do so. It is totally distasteful and a public abuse of power..
The Man did say he wanted to
The Man did say he wanted to be a preacher man when he retired as executive dictador although he later changed to wanting to be a bus driver or heavy equipment operator; vapsy too bad, depending on how the spirit moves him; maybe he is practising for an early retirement which seems to be bekoning him with haste.
Boi, Patrick say he wanted
Boi, Patrick say he wanted to be a bus driver as well. He mite get his wish come true as I'm sure he could get a wuck in de PTSC after he serve time with Calder Hart. He know enough ppl dey.
I agree with you about
I agree with you about separation of church and state. Unfortunately, the first words of our constitution acknowledge god as supreme.
In my view, religion should never be brought up in parliament unless it is in respect to freedom of/from worship, but sadly, many of our policies as a nation scream 'theocracy!'
Of course Mr. Manning would claim to be drunk on god. Religion is still the most potent and destructive opiate of the masses...a god isn't going to save anyone from poorly elected officials and a public too lethargic to hold their government accountable.
Does Mr Manning go to the
Does Mr Manning go to the Parliament "armed" with his bible? I saw the news story last night and I was shocked to see his onslaught on Dr Rowley and the ex-husband of the wife of his buddy, Calder Hart. I guess that he was getting tired of all his other cabinet colleagues defending him and Mr Hart and had to say something. Poor choice of words though. While I'm no religious fanatic, I do respect all the holy books and think that its a sin to use them in that manner.
In answer to your question,
In answer to your question, yes he goes with his Bible in one hand and his sharpened political cutlass in the other, like Elmer Gantry ramming the fear of God. Notice how he was swiping it at Rowley? It was planass an chop for so. Almost severed Rowley's mirror which he was using to dazzle the madman. You see, when he looks at Rowley, he sees himself, and he doesn't like what he sees.
It is a true sign of
It is a true sign of desperation when people clutch the bible and call on God, except in a place of worship. This man is not drunk but is starting to show signs of madness.
He is exhibiting his dictatorial and megalomaniac tendencies as evidenced by the number of times he has used the subjective pronoun "I" in his speech.
This is yet nother embarassment for the people of T&T...
"Drunk on God"?
"Drunk on God"?
Given the negative connotations associated with the word "drunk", that is not a word I personally would advise Prime Minister Manning (or anyone else in public life) to be using in any context.
1. being in a temporary state in which one's physical and mental faculties are impaired by an excess of alcoholic drink; intoxicated: The wine made him drunk.
2. overcome or dominated by a strong feeling or emotion: drunk with power; drunk with joy.
3. pertaining to or caused by intoxication or intoxicated persons.
Source: dictionary.com
La Diva
I agree with you that the
I agree with you that the words drunk and God should not be used in the same sentence so loosely. I guess that Mr Big is in charge and that Capo de Tutti Capi is in second command. I hope that God doesn't punish us all for Mr Mannings words. Its enough that we are being punished by a Canadian and the people who we have elected to see about our affairs.
PM. Mr. Manning is a damn
PM. Mr. Manning is a damn hypocrite, every time he finds himself in a jam he starts quoting the Holy Bible and pretending to be so righteous. If Mr.Manning was so righteous and religeous as he professes, he would not sit by idley and let sweet T&T burn.
There is so much carnage in our Nation right now, the murder rate is out of control, the health care system is diasterous, lack of clean and regular drinking water for the people, potholes every where, and last but not least severe corruption in Government, yet he sits on his throne and tells us about Almighty God. When he starts solving these problems or attempt to solve them , then he can start talking about God. The people of T&T should be the ones talking about Almighty God. They should be asking Almighty God to deliver us from Mr. Manning and let no unrighteous rule over us.
La Diva, language and usage
La Diva, language and usage are dynamic and keep evolving. After yesterday's usage, the Oxford dictionary might add it to its lexicon. In fact the expression is already in use in a video clip by the same name. If you Google the expression, it would take you to youtube for a viewing. Not recommended because of its sacrilegious content.
Perhaps
Perhaps
language and usage are dynamic and keep evolving.
Words are very emotive, as we know. But the negative connotations are still there (drunk) which alludes to poor/bad behaviour, lack of control, lack of clarity of mind/emotions... excess.
Further study of dictionay.com brings forth:
intoxication
- The pathological state produced by a drug, serum, alcohol, or any toxic substance; poisoning.
- Acute alcoholism.
- A state of mental excitement or emotional frenzy.
La Diva
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Digressing, a comment I found in relation to that same video, which appears to have been around since 2006?
The Laughing Revival
“The so-called “Toronto Blessing” or the “Laughing Revival,” which is currently tickling the ears of many thrill seeking Christians, is one of the newest of a series of false signs and wonders deceiving many who are purportedly seeking God.”
The Toronto Curse: It isn’t Funny
“This alleged blessing which is sweeping across America and Europe includes manifestations of laughing, crying, shaking, falling, screaming, shrieking, snorting, braying, roaring, clucking, barking, oinking, ad nauseam.”
Holy Laughter: Rodney Howard-Browne and the Toronto Blessing
“Are we to assume that those who bark like a dog are heralding the triumph of Christ in some other form? Dogs are unclean animals (as are lions). Can we imagine Jesus or any of the apostles barking like dogs or roaring like lions?”
I guess the mistake that
I guess the mistake that Manning made was to add those two powerful words which have brought down the vengeance of Moko on him. He should have left it at "drunk" full stop. He fell for Rowley's bait.
Everybody is crying doom and
Everybody is crying doom and gloom, fair enough. However, I could understand why, as a poster noted, the lady behind was laughing while the prime minister made his speech. This is funny stuff. I immediately saw a story forming based on this incident. How could you not laugh at Rowley's question and statement about the brand of rum and the reply he received?
Granted, a situation like this should have never played out for the world to see, but there is humour in this. Yes, its these moments that make great comedy material for the fests that people flock to. If you look at our tradition as well, you can be sure that this will be in an extempo come next year.
Trinbagonians are brilliant; I cannot wait to see how this is used to form a lyrically beautiful piece.
The great Satan
The great Satan inappropriately using a scred book to camouflage his misdeeds and evildoings. Hiding behind the bible and proclaiming that he is drunk on God when in fact he his just plain drunk.
Manning is trying to
Manning is trying to distract us from the facts - that there is evidence by Mrs. Hart's ex husband to show that the the directors of CH are in fact her brother and brother-in-law!!! The fax number and address on CH International letterhead is that of Calder Hart's home and all this being swept under the carpet !!!
When thing stay under carpet for too long, it stinks like crazy. Wait, you will see what i mean. What goes around comes around!!
The UDeCOTT scandal is going
The UDeCOTT scandal is going to take down Prime Minister Patrick Manning and his administration and trying to hide behind the Bible , will not stop the inevitability . Dr.Keith Rowley did the right thing by exposing the scandalous situation which is taking place at the UDeCOTT and while Manning is bent on protecting Calder Hart and his cohorts , the good people of T&T are saying to Manning ; enough is enough . PM Manning is confused on this issue because he supports the validation bill and yet he is protecting the UDeCOTT board of directors who has gone to the courts to stop the Uff Commission of Enquiry from proceeding . The UDeCOTT board must be fired , Mr. Manning !!!
The people of T&T saw Dr. Rowley in full flight on Monday , and they are very supportive of his speech . They saw a patriotic trinbagonian who has placed country above self and party ; he (Dr.Rowley) is truthfully an icon of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago .
PM Manning , this is your last mas - enjoy it .
ATW-Barbados .
It's a shame when a MP could
It's a shame when a MP could make a contribution in the House and descend into an attack on personalities. The debate is not whether Dr. Rowley is a bully or not, or if he is an angry man, it's about the evidence which has surfaced in the Uff commission, revealing frightening and disturbing practices at Udecott which Dr. Rowley first brought to the attention of the population.
The PM's attack on Mr. Rowley's character was unfortunate and in poor taste to say the least. He attempted to distract the nation with his ranting and raving but we are not moved; we are not fools. He must come clean on the Uff commission of enquiry and condemn the irregular practices as was revealed by witnesses under oath. When one thought that the Opposition was in disarray and it was an opportune time for the PNM to get into election gear, they have begun to lose points by playing blind to what the whole country is seeing big and bold. Mr. Manning is on record as saying that his failure to listen to the people prior to the 1995 election cost the PNM the election, but it appears to me that nothing has changed since then.
I am a student of Advance
I am a student of Advance Level Law and i can not believe that this is the attitude of our government. This kind of behavior is for little children not grown men in Parliament. They should focus on the country and try working together, not alienating each other. I think that both UNC and PNM should leave government and let some other party bring the country out of this hell.
Well..while Manning is drunk
Well..while Manning is drunk on God..the rest of the population is drunk on crime..high taxes, murders and mayhem.
Poor Mr.Manning now he's
Poor Mr.Manning now he's acting like he's the victim. One thing I've noticed is that he is left to character assignation without any facts to back it up. Another thing I know about arguing is that when you are left too calling the other party ugly names means that you have lost the argument.
Chappy
Allentown, PA USA
The Speaker should have cut
The Speaker should have cut Manning off and censured him for his attacks on a fellow MP. That is completely unacceptable use of language in the House. We expect nothing more than what we got from Manning, but the Speaker has shown his complete inability and unsuitability for the position and should resign his position forthwith in abject shame
Vik
Who Dares Wins
....whenever one thinks of
....whenever one thinks of Barendra Sininan, the expression 'teats on a bull' readily springs to mind....
My people, as someone who
My people, as someone who has known the Prime Minister for over 28 years I can say with all certainty ... "Wot yuh see is exactly wot yuh getting" Keith Rowley is right Satan does quote the scriptures too. In ALL the temptations Christ faced Satan quoted the scriptures by stating "IT IS WRITTEN" When he Satan afflicted Job, he went before GOD and also said "IT IS WRITTEN"
We, and above all, I know and can testify to what a hypocrite Mr. Manning. He talks about love but he don't know the meaning of the word. The word, just The Words of God are being used conveniently, and the same Words from which he selectively choses his satements also warn the people to "beware of wolves in sheep's clothing" Satan rarely comes as a roaring lion, but more often as a diminutive lamb. It is more often that he chooses to come as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, so that he may deceive us.
BE WARNED!
The apostle Paul even goes so far as say that one of Satan’s forms is that of an angel. He can make his own self—the very prince of darkness and a grotesque master of evil, appear as a beautiful angel.
Mr Manning's comments have
Mr Manning's comments have brought to mind the quote by Euripides - "Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad."
For all your Very Educated
For all your Very Educated People,their is no such thing as "The Bible".In the english speaking world "the"is Definite article and "a" is indefinite article.There are hundreds of Bibles,each relegion has their own and they all are supposed to be Holy.Which one is considered to be The Bible?All Bibles are not the same.The 1631 King James version of "the"Bible says in Exodus20:14"Thou SHALT commit adultery.This is part of an article which was on Netscape.com on 5/30/2004.Anyone who lives in the USA,Canada or Puerto Rico and wish for a copy I can fax you one.Give me a fax number.
Manning please stop getting
Manning please stop getting drunk on God.Smoke some WEED you Jerk.You are an embarrassment to the country and THE WORLD.