Tuesday February 9th, 2010
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Dookeran: There’s a secret agenda
Published: 5 Nov 2009
Congress of the People (COP) leader Winston Dookeran has accused party “gatekeepers” Prime Minister Patrick Manning and Opposition Leader Basdeo Panday of “getting scared” of challenges and coming together on Tuesday to keep COP out of politics.
Dookeran made the point on a COP platform in Curepe on Tuesday following the two leaders’ meeting at the Diplomatic Centre earlier that day. He called on Manning and Panday to “reveal the secret agenda” of their meeting. Dookeran said: “While we are talking to you here about the voices of the future, at the Diplomatic Centre the voices of the past met. “But those voices are refusing to leave the departure lounge that has been prepared for them by the people of this country and the COP, the voice of the future, must take charge over the voices of the past, which remains for the meanwhile in the departure lounge.”
Dookeran added: “I want to assure those voices of the past that in the departure lounge that we have set for them, we will treat them well and we will give them all the dignity that must be afforded those who have served the people in the past, but the time has come and now they must go.” Questioning the Manning/Panday meeting, Dookeran said: “Are they working in the interest of this nation and its future or are they working as self-serving agents to protect their dwindling political support? “I say, the media agenda was different to the secret agenda and if they want to have integrity in the discharge of the offices they hold on behalf of the people, they must reveal the secret agenda of that meeting,” he added.
SOUR GRAPES
SOUR GRAPES -
Panday invited you to unity talks you did not respond. What deals did you strike when you met with Mr Warner? What is your secret agenda? If the PM had invited you would you have gone? You had no problem with Gillian accepting an invitation to sit on a government commission but you had a problem with Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol accepting a Senatorial appointment from the Opposition.
When you were on the Opposition back bench did you not join with the government to pass some legislation. What were the deals then? Is this the new politics? Looks like old wine in new bottles.
Selwyn Samaroo Well said Mr.
Selwyn Samaroo
Well said Mr. Dookeran. It it difficult to understand why some followers of Panday and Manning are adamant in their defense of these two "voices of the past". The people of Trinidad and Tobago are still politically naive (as evidence by the previous post) but the wind is blowing in the direction of change and the COP at this time.
DON't MIX UP
DON't MIX UP -
Don't mix up change with exchange. You promised to win 25 seats last election you won none. Your leader could not win his own seat and took you from in parliament to out of parliament. But yuh boldface enough to say Panday cannot win again. But you went from being in parliament to out parliament, from second to third, and you happy with that. You do not want to accept Panday because he cannot win, but you can accept a Leader, who cannot even beat Panday, cannot even win his seat. Your logic is amazing.
Fairplay, Allow me to show
Fairplay,
Allow me to show you the error of your ways:
"You promised to win 25 seats last election you won none." - The writer made no personal prediction regarding the COP's election performance.
"But yuh boldface enough to say Panday cannot win again." - The writer didn't say this.
"You do not want to accept Panday because he cannot win..." - You are being excessively assumptive in this statement. You should restrict yourself to fact-based sentences and reasoned analyses.
You seem intent on generating COP straw figures and then disproving their logic in an attempt to justify your own line of argumentative gobar. Unfortunately, your ill-conditioned tactics are transparents to those of us who are able to do more than just a surface analysis. Do raise the standard of your output if you wish to be taken seriously and yearn to be more than just an inside joke to the sensible people who frequent the guardian website.
ARE YOU SAYING
ARE YOU SAYING -
Are you saying?
1) That COP and newspapers did not project that COP would win 25 seats.
2) Weren’t these comments from COP and RAMJACK that Panday cannot win again.
These are the rationale put forward by COP and RAMJACK and are the arguments that are being rebutted. They are generic responses and not attributable to the writer but to the premise of an argument in the public domain and that COP supporters endorse.
Wrong again
Wrong again -
This must be a hobby for you.
"2) Weren’t these comments from COP and RAMJACK that Panday cannot win again."
Come on now! What kinda ting yuh trying! You are faltering in your desperation.
It is public knowledge where this comment came from. I am putting it to you that you yourself know who this comment originated from. COP and RAMJACK are merely repeating what was said by Basdeo Panday after November 2007. So for you to raise that as some point to the contrary is being characteristically disingenuous. No one is saying you can't support and defend who you like, that is your right. But you have to be factual and accurate if you are to accuse others when the truth is in the public domain. You also have to be prepared, in defending the indefensible, to look pretty silly when your positions are effectively debunked one by one, because you exercised your right to defend a man who himself said that he was tainted and unelectable. It carries the exact meaning as saying Panday cannot win again. What makes your position even more laughable is that you yourself admit that the truth is in the public domain. You seem blissfully unaware of it.
YOU ARE SOUNDING EVEN MORE
YOU ARE SOUNDING EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS -
You are saying that COP and RAMJACK are only repeating what Panday a man they abhor is saying. They cannot stand on their own. They need a quote from Panday to make a point. Would you repeat what someone said if you did not believe it and if you believe it then you can be called on it. Sounds really childish. It is like a Judge saying that he is sentencing someone to death only because a Drug Trafficker said so. He has no responsibility whatsoever in the decision so his decision should not be questioned. WOW. It is as if Panday made them say it. Mommy he made me do it. Miss he say it first. This is real kindergarten stuff.
PS: Personal attacks lengthen your blog, but it weakens your argument. It is a sure sign that someone is losing an argument when they revert to Personal attacks.
Sounding ridiculous
Sounding ridiculous -
One wonders if you understand anything in your own posts. You are incredibly contrary and it does not help your credibility. Panday eh make anybody say anything. But people WILL however attribute statements to him to make their positions plain. You see that all the time, everywhere there is any sort of discussion. This is so basic and fundamental, it is done in every country by every group and- wait... am I actually dignifying this???
The bulk of my posts are actual content. I sometimes go into detail because... well because some people have trouble with history.
And relax, I have toned down my abrasive style and severely limited personal insults. I invite you to prove where I did so in the post to which you refer.
Enjoy Friday, go buss a lime and have some drinks with the pardners, and have a designated driver take you home after. The roads seem to be a dangerous place.
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND THOUGHTS -
Reciprocations
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repeat post deleted by Marchalis -
SEE WHY COP CAN'T MOVE ON
SEE WHY COP CAN'T MOVE ON -
Where are the members who joined with Dookeran to oppose Panday. Where are Lucky, Ganga Singh, Yet Ming, Ramsaran, Sadiq and Griffith? Their silence is deafening, they have been sidelined and marginalised. We had the case of Sadiq asking back for his million dollars because his recommendations were not accepted. What about the rift with Sharon Gopaul Mc Nicholls. When the EX-UNC MP’s got together with Kamal and Mahabir and suggested unity talks which were to include Panday. Dookeran feeling threatened hastily met with Warner to shore up each other political stocks. Aided and abetted by the press the events have been played down. They are not talking out they have just distanced themselves. We did not know PNM had problems until Rowley spoke out and we now find out it has been going on for years. We also now know that there was a plan by Ramesh with the PNM to bring down UNC. The propaganda was that only in UNC they have fighting, we now know it is and has been happening in all parties. It is just that some can keep it on the down low. All that glitters is not gold. The grass is always greener on the other side.
Mr. Dookeran -
Mr. Dookeran - Leadership/Professionalism:
Mr. Dookeran, you aim to become leader of the country. Then we expect you at every turn to prove to the people that you have what it takes to be a strong leader, and one who has the interest of the people and country as your top priority.
While you go on your town-hall meetings, and attempt to draw the people to your party, you must always conduct yourself in an ethical fashion. The line you have been using about a cospiracy between Mr. Panday and Mr. Manning is showing your lower than acceptable behaviour. Would it not have been prudent for you to stick to facts instead of bringing out into the open 'suspicions' without supporting facts to substantiate your 'feelings'?
This is a word of caution to you, Sir:- While you are in the process of bringing your party's platform to the attention of the people of this country, we ask that you do so with the utmost professionalism. If you continue to fight with persons who are of no consequence, you will loose the respect of the people and without a doubt bring more uncertainty to the very people you claim you wish to serve. Stick to message and work on unity for the people of this country.
Gardenia
Gardenia, you are quite
Gardenia, you are quite right. Dookeran should be more professional if he wants to win friends and influence voters. Cheap pot shots do not become him; he's not cut out to be a rabble rouser. Maybe he should pass on the leadership to someone like the young vibrant Prakash Ramadhar who seems to have more appeal. Of course he has an important role to play on the financial and economic side. But continuing to trade political punches is doing himself and his party a disservice. If he continues sounding and behaving the same way he did two/three years ago, he will land up with the same result. For opposition unity both Dookeran and Panday should step down. And in my humble view neither Ramesh nor Jack should succeed either of them. They all have too much political baggage. T&T is politically and morally moribund and badly in need of fresh young blood to recover, not that I'm preaching ageism.
PRAKASH WOULD BE A WELCOMED
PRAKASH WOULD BE A WELCOMED CHANGE -
But what we are doing is putting an old flawed political process into a new bottle. All Parties do is to re-brand themselves and presenting us with a new face. COP is rebranded ONR. UNC is rebranded ULF and PNM replaced the stalwarts with neophytes. What Manning, Panday, Dookeran, and RAMJACK will not tell you is that they all have a deal whereby they do not want us to know who fund the political parties. All parties have broken the rules if not laws as to the limits allowed to be spent on campaigns. The amounts are absurd and needs to be thoroughly investigated, but who will bell the cat. They accuse each other of having deals but they all have a deal against the people. The good old boys club, like a lodge a political lodge. The process that fuels political corruption is the process by which all political parties are financed.
POLITICAL PARTIES --------DONATIONS------CONTRACTS----------KICKBACKS
This is the food chain, and none want to break it. Notice no political party has put forward ELECTION CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM as part of their Constitutional Reform package. We do not know if Drug Lords are financing our political parties. Without this reform the vicious cycle of corruption will continue no matter who we put. It would only vary depending on how full the coffers are. Another locust will come and take another grain of corn and he gone.
come on! really! Cheap pot
come on! really!
Cheap pot shots? Like the man said, politics is not a bishop's party (words to that effect). Panday is the KING of pot shots, taking AND getting. And while no one is saying Dookeran should emulate people who take pot shots, at the same time people want to rake him over the coals for not being tough enough. But when he steps out of character and decides to be a bit more hard, he gets raked for that too!
Dooks has a lot going for him, as well as some against him. Thankfully they don't involve him and his wife having to appear before different courts to answer multiple charges of corruption, misbehaviour in public office and a re-trial after an overturned conviction. To be sure, he does come across as very very lack lustre. Listening to his speeches is basically torture. Probably because we all accustomed to hearing Panday's seething personal insults and his venomous snarling ways, the way he blames everyone else for crap he does... or Manning's "beat dem east west north south acoss up down in between", etc... Fact is, they both more exciting to listen to than Dookeran.
But for damn sure, he wants to offer something other than what we used to. Something that represents doing it a different way so that we get results different to what we get when we try doing the same things and like lunatics ecpect a different result. He's offering a break from snarling personal insults and foolish bravado... a way to provide proper, effective value for people's tax dollars instead of the incessant waste and raw naked theft that we have come to know, and accept, as party till I die sycophants seem to like. He's offering a different sort of politics, a kind many here seem to think is impossible or unwanted. The most powerful man on the planet said the same thing and was scoffed at, until he was elected a year ago today. Now he living up to his word and the haters are abound.
Dookeran is no Obama, and Obama is no Dookeran. But what Dookeran is offering is something that, in the light of the same old smartman-hateful-venomous-oldtalk-corrupt politics, we need to look at seriously. It is popular opinion nationwide that no one wants Panday back in the treasury, and not for any bogus racist garbage like fear of having an indian in the treasury - that's as narrow and as Panday-programmed as one could hope to sink. Panday himself acknowledged publicly that he is unelectable and tainted. But the lust for power is so great that he busy calling everyone else power seekers. Monkey cyar see the end of they own tail. It is the height of this man's own twisted view of his self importance that he won't, not can't, won't see that even delegates and high ranking members of his own party and nearly everyone around him don't want him... but he want tuh lead! Voice of the people eh? Manning is on a waste-my-tax-dollar high. His defence of a man whose sole skill is his ability to "get things done" at the expense of procedure and actual law, is shameful. By way of over priced salaries and multiple boards for this one man Manning wastes so much money, we might as well have it the previous way - the crook stealing it and hoarding it in London, with his wife managing the account.
Yet, despite all the obvious ills in the country, there will always be people who opt for the status quo. Persons with more regard for party and a maximum leadership model than regard for county. Persons who so into the status quo, that they will shoot down as a matter of desperate course, any chance for something better... 56 years one party, 21 years another. Between them both is decades of waste, corruption and blatant theft. And some of you seem to want more of that. Obama taught the world that there are much less of those anti-progress, anti-county, pro-self people than there are those that want something good and right. Dookeran needs to do what he has to in order to provide something not just different, but right and good at the same time.
Marchalis, All of your
Marchalis,
All of your points are excellent. Congratulations on writing the first sensible response on this page. It would be interesting to know how many of the previous writers support the UNC led by Basdeo Panday. They seem to cringe when Dookeran aludes to a conspiracy because it's excessively inappropriate by their standards. It's a wonder their heads didn't explode when they heard Panday using words like "Neemakaram".
AFTER BEING CRITICAL OF
AFTER BEING CRITICAL OF PANDAY -
Are we using Panday as our own standards to emulate. Is the pot calling the kettle black.
You keep missing the point
You keep missing the point -
Of course we are using Panday as our own standards. We have to. If you grow up watching your father beat the daylights out of your mother, you as a young adult have a choice to make - do you beat up on women or do you learn from watching your mother's daily pain and resolve never to be like your father? At any rate your father would have provided you with some sort of example, a standard by which you could choose to live your life. Panday has provided an excellent model and from this we must, must take example - but not to emulate as you rushing to believe (glass half empty). We must see Panday as an example of who NOT to elect, and all the reasons why. He has provided us with ample examples both in and out of office as to why he should never ever again be elected to power.
A mistake is not a bad thing if you learn from it, and don't repeat it.
Selwyn Samaroo The disdain
Selwyn Samaroo
The disdain you portray Mr. Fairchild for truth is reflective of the kind of politics the COP campaigns against. From your rhetoric I can tell that you are beholden to the "voices of the past". The simple fact is-Basdeo Panday will never again see the corridors of Prime Ministerial power. Neither will the sycophants that surrounds him. A painful truth, but truth nonetheless.
COP IS LIKE A MAN WITHOUT A
COP IS LIKE A MAN WITHOUT A BICYCLE -
Cop is like a man without a bicycle laughing at a man with a foreign used car because he does not have a brand new car. Yes the possibility exists that Panday will not be in government. But at least he has already achieved that and at least is in the parliament. The possibility exists that COP could also not be in parliament or even opposition. The way COP supporters talk it is as if it is a sure thing that COP will be in Government. They promised that lie last election when PNM and UNC said that they will not win a dammed seat and are promising it again. I suppose if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it. COP is guaranteed nothing. They are at present electorally the least of the disciples. Yes this could change but NAR might also win the elections.
Mr. Glass Half Empty
Mr. Glass Half Empty -
You do yourself a grave disservice. The truth about everything you ever wanted to know but were afraid to ask is right there in front your face. Things are different now in politics than they were exactly two years ago. Very, very different. Two years ago, the PNM was on a spending high, there was tons of money in the system, unemployment at an all time low, buildings were going up, houses popping up all over the place, no one suspected a thing about how it was happening. All we knew was that Calder Hart was the chairman of UDECOTT. In the opposition there were many highs as well. Ramesh had been welcomed back into the party, many people were overjoyed, Jack Warner was spending through his teeth to present the best face possible of Basdeo Panday and everyone was heaping hatred and scorn on Winston Dookeran. With all those highs a new party stood very little chance of success. Dookeran himself was gearing up for his first election. With limited resources he put up a good fight and snatched 148,000 votes from the PNM and UNC. Despite all that, he got no seats.
That was two years ago.
Today... examine those highs again. We see Calder Hart and UDECOTT for what they are. And we are repulsed. We see Manning defending all of this, and his cabinet in full support. We looking on and waiting... We have a property tax that penalizes people monthly for owning property. In the opposition, the "highs" have sunk so low they could limbo under a razor blade. Ramesh and Gypsy have grabbed Panday's sole moneyman Jack Warner and together with other ranking members of the party have all dismissed Panday's leadership and called for his removal. People in Couva North have started to complain more than we have seen in more than two years. Panday had to sit quietly and watch as not just members of his party but delegates have stood up and called for his removal, suggesting a replacement, all to the cheers of the other delegates present as a show of hands all around revealed the extent of his greatly reduced support - among his own.
Now, that is simple math right there. If an election were called today, it is safe to say who will not assume the position of Leader of the Opposition. But there are still three more years, and a lot can happen in that time. In election year 2012, tradition dictates that the horrible property tax that I believe was purposely imposed mid-term will either be greatly reduced or disappear magically to woo voters and give the incumbent a chance. Many will fall for it. In the opposition, there is much activity happening to get Panday to step down, which of course he refuses to do, despite all the calls just from within the UNC. Panday also has no main moneybagsman - at least none that he cares to make known, legally or illegally. Many are prepared to just plain leave the party and join the COP, or PNM. Attendance at his meetings are lower than they have ever been, so much so that they don't even have meetings anymore - this despite the boast that they resuming their Monday night meetings. For curiosity, I always attend whenever they in my area, attendance is pitiful. There are more people on the periphery, standing outside by the road observing than there are seated and listening attentively. Panday conserving what little money left for when they really need to meet. For now the party's money is needed to pay Panday's numerous legal bills... which Warner used to do. Panday's cases are all unlikely to be resolved within the next 3 years as he has succeeded in tying up the courts with legal stumbling blocks. All these things are being taken well into consideration by all stakeholders, not the least of which is the electorate. What is not known is that as we speak and post, right now, inside the UNC, Kamla Persad-Bissessar is in serious trouble for simply being held up as heir to the throne. Just because more and more people calling for her to lead, this has caused certain gearwheels within the party to move - and from the hushed tones at Rienzi, those gearwheels are set to grind Kamla. Notice how we hearing absolutely nothing from her at all both in and out of the parliament? There is a distinct reason for that. Indeed, things are way different now than they were two years ago. And if we go by trends, what seems certain is that the COP could well be poised for more than just 148,000 votes this time around, meaning a decrease from the UNC and PNM.
To sit and think that the opposition with its ever increasing myriad of woes and negativity will actually perform better than they did last election is to engage in mental masturbation and it is an insult to the voting public, which seemed to have gotten a bit smarter than they were two years ago. Just something to think about.
NO PARTY IS GUARANTEED
NO PARTY IS GUARANTEED ANYTHING -
NO party is guaranteed to win the elections. No party is guaranteed to lose the election. Not even Yeshina or the Prophetess would say otherwise. So anyone saying that they will win or that someone else could not win is only talking talk. Certain arrangements we can speculate might bring about a certain result. Those speculations have been proven wrong before. Like COP will win 25 seats. We do not know if COP will even form the opposition. It is very likely they will not win another seat again. Their grass root support is very thin, the demographics do not favour them. Many people talk before election but would not come out on the day and vote for you. In cricket if you bat first, they say you have runs on the board, PNM and UNC have grass root support, they have runs on the board.The people who vote are not the hoity toity it is the idiots as COP supporters like to Call them, the grass roots.
You still don't understand
You still don't understand -
But I will waste no further time with that.
"NO party is guaranteed to win the elections. No party is guaranteed to lose the election. Not even Yeshina or the Prophetess would say otherwise. So anyone saying that they will win or that someone else could not win is only talking talk"
You saw NOWHERE where I said any party would win. You are again being disingenuous and with your frequency, one can be forgiven for thinking you are doing so on purpose. You could choose to disregard growing trends in both gov't and opposition. Rest assured Basdeo Panday is not ignoring it.
To equate "could well be poised for more than just 148,000 votes" with winning an election flies in the face of the English language. And you know it.
COP CAN DISINTEGRATE AT
COP CAN DISINTEGRATE AT ANYTIME -
What has happened in the last two years?
1) There is growing disenchantment with Dookeran's Leadership style.
2) Warner and Ramaesh publicly stated that he is a weak Leader.
3) The strong foundation members like Gillian, Yet Ming, Ganga Sing,Ramsaran, Sadiq and Griffith have concerns and have been thus been sidelined.
4) There is an internal movement to have DOOKERAN REMOVED.
5) Prakash has emerged as much more attractive option.
6) Sadiq has become disenchanted with Dookeran, and asked back for his money.
7) Deputy Leader Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol has become disenchanted with Dookeran’s autocratic style and has accepted a Senatorial position with UNC.
8) Prakask has appeared with Kamla on a few occasions shoring up his political stocks.
9) The EX-UNC MP' S fed up with Dookeran got together and attempted to broker a deal with the UNC with the assistance of Kamal and Mahabir they all felt that Panday must be included in unity talks.
10) EX-UNC MP Fuad Khan appeared as a UNC Senator seeking to start unity talks..
11) Activist like Inshan are setting up their own movements, the disenchantment with the pedestrian pace of Dookeran is de-motivating. It is only lecture after lecture.
12) Griffith questioned Dookeran’s meeting with Warner saying that it was a departure from stated strategy on Unity talks. He diplomatically accused him of flip flopping and being undemocratic.
13) Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol appeared on a UNC platform in San Juan.
14) The strategist Yet Ming and the ground troops expert Sadiq no longer in favor.
15) The financiers want Dookeran, but there is growing disenchantment with his ineffectual leadership.
16) Dookeran is fighting for his political life and is desperate.
17) PNM and UNC have smelt blood, and it is only a matter of time before they make their move.
18) Mannings counter attack on the RAMJACKLEE faction has silenced them.
19) Dookeran calculated move to have Warner shore up his stocks have not borne fruit.
20) The Meeting of Manning and Panday had put Dookeran on the defensive, his recent utterances makes him look even more desperate.
COP might not even last till the next elections if all these problems in just two years, five years is a long time in politics especially when you are outside the corridor of power.
Wishful thinking my friend
Wishful thinking my friend -
1) There is growing disenchantment with Dookeran's Leadership style.
yes, from the UNC and PNM
2) Warner and Ramesh publicly stated that he is a weak Leader.
having joined with Panday and now fallen out with him, twice in Ramesh case, they are in no position to recognise a strong leader
3) The strong foundation members like Gillian, Yet Ming, Ganga Sing,Ramsaran, Sadiq and Griffith have concerns and have been thus been sidelined.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support it
4) There is an internal movement to have DOOKERAN REMOVED.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support it
5) Prakash has emerged as much more attractive option.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support it
6) Sadiq has become disenchanted with Dookeran, and asked back for his money.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support disenchantment
7) Deputy Leader Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol has become disenchanted with Dookeran’s autocratic style and has accepted a Senatorial position with UNC.
someone's personal opinion
8) Prakask has appeared with Kamla on a few occasions shoring up his political stocks.
None of "Prakask"s appearances have been unsanctioned by his leader who himself believes in unity
9) The EX-UNC MP' S fed up with Dookeran got together and attempted to broker a deal with the UNC with the assistance of Kamal and Mahabir they all felt that Panday must be included in unity talks.
someone's personal opinion. Who is Kamal? Mohammed???
10) Activist like Inshan are setting up their own movements, the disenchantment with the pedestrian pace of Dookeran is de-motivating. It is only lecture after lecture.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support disenchantment. Besides, you fail to see the importance such groups could have in keeping up the momentum of the country's only third option.
11) Griffith questioned Dookeran’s meeting with Warner saying that it was a departure from stated strategy on Unity talks. He diplomatically accused him of flip flopping and being undemocratic.
Griffith is a prize? Where is he politically? Dooks chose NOT to meet with a man who described himself as tainted and unelectable. This is sensible. What thinking person can blame him?
12) Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol appeared on a UNC platform in San Juan.
Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol cares about Sharon Gopaul Mc Nichol
13) The financiers want Dookeran, but there is growing disenchantment with his ineffectual leadership.
There may be some accuracy to this but anything is possible in 3 years. Dooks may step aside in statesman style once it could mean victory for the COP. Or like other successful leaders, he may follow recommendations from strategists and improve his leadership style.
14) Dookeran is fighting for his political life and is desperate.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support it. All the trends point to declining support for the official opposition and Patrick Manning.
15) PNM and UNC have smelt blood, and it is only a matter of time before they make their move.
They have made their move - true unity. You just voted for Patrick Manning!!!
16) Mannings counter attack on the RAMJACKLEE faction has silenced them.
Only you know what you talking about
17) Dookeran calculated move to have Warner shore up his stocks have not borne fruit.
someone's personal opinion - with no facts to support it, since you are not privy to their meetings
18) The Meeting of Manning and Panday had put Dookeran on the defensive, his recent utterances makes him look even more desperate.
Or eager to ensure the public is aware of what is happening.
I thought allyuh said we in a dictatorship. But look how you to be able to freely rattle off your personal opinions and not be thrown in jail? Nice eh?!
POOR RESPONSES
POOR RESPONSES -
It would have been better if you said no comment. It is so easy to rebut your lame responses I am ashamed. It is like taking candy from a baby. Maybe you are having an off day; this is definitely not one of your finer works. I really do not want to take advantage of you my friend. But I reserve my right to respond for a later date.
I understand what you say.
I understand what you say. You certainly do have a lot to be ashamed about. It's no enviable task defending Panday.
A LOT EASIER
A LOT EASIER -
It is a lot easier than defending Dookeran who cannot win his own seat and took the COP faction from in Parliament with 6 seats to out of Parliament with 0. He is an abysmal failure; it is only COP sycophants who do not understand that. Performance beats ole talk all the time. Panday tainted, Panday have charges, Panday like to fight, and with all that negative baggage and your leader still can't beat him. It looks like the only way to beat him is if he did not even go up. OH HO that is plan B.