Tuesday February 9th, 2010
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New bid by UNC, COP for unity
Published: 18 Nov 2009
The Congress of the People (COP) is fixing a new date to present its People’s Charter document to the United National Congress (UNC), following a recent renewed request from the UNC to discuss it, COP leader Winston Dookeran confirmed yesterday.
Dookeran at 12.50 pm, said he had “two minutes ago” received a letter from UNC leader Basdeo Panday seeking to meet on the document. Panday said yesterday following last week Tuesday’s aborted unity meeting between both parties, UNC wrote Dookeran stating the UNC was prepared to discuss COP’s People’s Charter document, as COP had wanted to. UNC also included constitutional reform on the agenda. “We’re awaiting a reply and if they agree, that’s the way we’ll go,” Panday added yesterday. Dookeran subsequently confirmed that UNC had asked for COP to make a presentation on the charter, “so I’ll get them to organise a presentation for this,” Dookeran added between meetings yesterday.
Last week Tuesday’s initial UNC meeting with COP to discuss the charter document and a possible way forward was called off by UNC. The latter accused COP of making inappropriate remarks about a “Manday” constitution following the recent meeting between Panday and Prime Minister Patrick Manning. UNC Deputy Kamla Persad-Bissessar also called off her planned appearance at a COP rally last weekend due to COP’s remarks. Dookeran, at the rally, urged citizens to rise up and remove the Government. On Monday, Panday said: “I’m very glad other people share my views. I’ve said the same for a very long time now. The problem is though, I think we have passed the talking point and since there is agreement that we have the same views, what should happen now is that there must be a meeting to organise how to put this into effect.”
Panday on Monday evening—at a forum attended by COP’s Stephen Kangal—called for “more unified and strengthened efforts” against the property tax. Panday said rifts between COP and UNC members needed to be shelved in that fight and he was willing to facilitate dialogue among members of both groups. Yesterday, COP deputy leader, Robert Mayers, said: “We remain open to meeting with the UNC. We had invited UNC’s Kamla Persad-Bissessar to last week’s property tax rally but she didn’t come.”
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO TO
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE -
You have to be skeptical about newspapers reports, and about remarks emanating from the two parties. There is too much toing and froing.If the financiers say don't unite there will be no unity. Financiers rule, not the people or the leaders.
IT'S NOT THAT HARD
IT'S NOT THAT HARD -
When faced with a situation like this, I find it helps to go with what is generally known. On the one hand is a newspaper which some people conveniently flip flop on whether or not the press is responsible. On the other hand we have politicians giving details on a particular issue. Among the politicians involved is a neophyte but a politician nonetheless, and another with a long track record for, shall we say, dishonesty, to the extent that he is facing several criminal charges in court. ALL POLITICIANS DECEIVE - this is a fact, a neophyte is just a young deceiver. I could choose to be skeptical, but in this case not against the news report. In any news item where certain politicians are concerned I will ALWAYS doubt first, especially since they are known to be chronic liars, giving 3 and 4 excuses for the same thing, even pulling their unemployed wives into the fray to cover their own backsides when the excuses run out.
It eh hard at all to see where the skepticism should be placed.
OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN
OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN -
You get an entirely different impression if you factor in the statements of Kirk Meghoo nephew of Dookeran and Sharon Gopaul Mc Nicol former COP Deputy Leader. I suppose she will now be unreliable, so Winston chose a unreliable Deputy Leader. I am still waiting to hear COP statement on Sat's behaviour. This is a leading supporter of the party who was paraded before the nation as a Religious Leader who supported COP. He is responsible for thousands of Hindu voters moving from UNC to COP. They too busy criticizing UNC. Tell Sat about code of behaviour. Tell your supporters about code of behaviour, when you invite a guest into your home you do not embarrass them. Where the code of behaviour is when you talk about unity then tried to uses Kamla to undermine Panday. Kamla has publicly indicated that the position of political Leader does not arise. Where is code of behaviour when you talk unity and continue to besmirch Pandays character insinuating that the talks with PM Manning is tantamount to an usurpation of the constitution. That is NEW POLITICS, PNM and UNC practising that for years. Take the moat out of your own eyes first.
ALL NON SEQUITURS
ALL NON SEQUITURS -
The only thing worthy of reply is your predictably blinkered view of Dookeran's choice of deputy leader.
You claimed Dookeran chose an "unreliable Deputy Leader". Seek a lil wisdom friend... he chose Sharon Gopaul Mc Nicol, based in part on the similar core values she shared *at that time* which were in similar to those of the party and the party's constitution. The moment (try and follow here ok) she decided to go against the party's direction she rendered HERSELF unreliable, and quite naturally, had to be relieved of her influential position. Her membership in the party was her own concern as no one expelled her from anything. If you were to turn your brilliant argument around one could say Panday lives on linking with "unreliable" people. From Ramesh to Robinson to Ramnath to Ralph to Ramesh again to Hulsie to Shah to Sudama to Gypsy to Jack Warner to Dookeran to ... the list is unending. And it eh because poor Panday trying his best to unite with everybody and everybody shafting him - is because he was unable to control them the way he controls the current crop of spineless jellyfish. The common denominator is Basdeo Panday. In seeking his own interests, there is no worse judge of character than Basdeo Panday, and that is because in making his choices, he is seeking to have people do his personal bidding while simultaneously trying to hold on to their own sense of scruples and moral integrity. And in a party headed by a maximum leader who makes all the decisions for the party backed up by a puppet "executive", that has never been possible. If you want to be in the UNC and keep your integrity, you either leave or stay and fall out with the maximum leader.
You keep your old politics... they go well with your aging crooked leader. It also says a lot about a person's character - "show me your leader and I'll tell you what you are".
COP JUST LIKE PNM
COP JUST LIKE PNM -
PNM criticises UNC on corruption claiming superior moral and spiritual values, they thieving a lot more according to PNM Minister Rowley. COP criticises UNC claiming New Politics, they are now involved in the same gutter snipe under hand politics that is run of the mill according to their ex-Deputy Leader Sharon Gopaul Mc Nicol. It is a straight case of saying one thing and doing another. Don’t criticize UNC and then turn around and do the same thing when you claimed that you were the new politics. You rebranded yourself as conceived without sin, holy of the holies. You cannot now say they doing it too. You were supposed to be above that not the same as that.
Your disappointment is
Your disappointment is predictable. You are unable to pin anything on Dookeran worth commenting... other than Dooks' reaction to the Manday accord. But since these petty complaints is the best you can do, the charitable thing to do is to humour you with the audience you seek:
Who, other than your goodly self could use Rowley as a benchmark for political integrity? He was in the fray all the while. Like Ken Valley he start to sing like the Temptations about corruption and dictatorship AFTER being fired. He come like "psychic" Yessenia Gonsalves predicting AFTER the fact. He had to spend good dollars to seek to clear his name from the Landate affair. While he committed no crime, his actions were highly unethical. YUH IS A MINISTER, GET YUH OWN DAMN GRAVEL AND MATERIAL LIKE EVERY OTHER TAXPAYER.
And Sharon Gopaul McNichol... I wouldn't waste my time. I have to eat dinner and would need to keep down my food, so ah cyar get into the grasshopper talk.
Needless to say, Dookeran is NOT before the courts, whether here or Miami Florida for criminal corruption charges. Dookeran's wife is NOT before the courts for criminal corruption charges - I could be wrong but I believe that lady is gainfully employed. The COP have no issues in the public domain regarding questions of leadership and party elections. Inshan Ishmael, who you like to claim stray from Dooks was on the platform same as the COP recently. BECAUSE THE ISSUE WAS NATIONAL. Ramadhar is hard working and realizes his function within the party and he is carrying it out. The COP is a together party. Anything to the contrary is typical Trini empty vessel ole talk. You listen to Sharon Gopaul-how-she-name... all her PhD's and she STILL get roped in to Panday's dying club. Dookeran's party membership is mobilized throughout the country and their members are very visible. But yuh right. Who needs new politics?
Panday however, IS before the courts for criminal corruption. Panday's wife IS before the courts for criminal corruption charges - hard to say exactly when the lady stopped working, can't remember that far back. Panday's associates are also before the courts for criminal corruption, some with a date with a judge in Miami, Florida. Panday's godson's father's company went buss and taxpayer's had to bail them out to the tune of millions and millions. The company's chairman silent on everything and you cyar even see the man. I Do Pray, for his safety. The finance minister escape taking a bath and bailed herself out BEFORE the crap hit the fan. Old Politics? The UNC, in theory, has a constitution, but their own members have yet to see it upheld and not violated by the one person with the self-appointed authority to violate it at will. Only under threat of court action do we now see the UNC following their own constitution. The PNM senators and nearly all the independent senators supported the anti-smoking bill. The UNC and their senators supported the bill, but they all abstained from voting - DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY SUPPORTED IT!!! They gave a collective "eff T&T" because the party line says they must never support the government of the people pf Trinidad & Tobago. How many medical doctors in the UNC again?? Yuh like how old politics tasting eh!!! Opposition constituents complaining they cannot see their MP's... Where UNC people? Oh right, they done get elected so they doh need tuh meet their constituents, just collect their salaries. Only today Tim Gopeesingh admitted he had lost touch with his constituents and wanted to "start back" his walkabouts. Chandresh Sharma... A judge issued a warrant for his arrest for failure to appear to pay a traffic ticket. Know what he was ticketed for? "Improper Overtaking". Do you know what the general definition of Improper Overtaking is? Here in T&T, Improper Overtaking is another way of saying DRIVING ON THE SHOULDER, or overtaking a long line of traffic with intent to cut into the traffic. SRI Chandradesh Sharma!!!!! Guru to many!!! He get ketch like so many other cheap common lawbreakers... straddling the shoulder to get away from traffic. These are all sitting, active members of parliament! Talk about hindu thug Sat Maharaj till you blue, at the end of the day Sat Maharaj is a mere supporter doing what supporters do, attracting new membership. Nobody expect Panday to explain the actions of his rambunctious supporters - and he never will. All parties attract supporters of all kinds. But your old politics killing T&T. Active MP's breaking the law, disregarding constituents... Open wide, wolf down a gallon of Old Politics. Your old politics will continue to see people killed in runaway crime, more families made poorer from oppressive taxes and less and less say from the very people who voted and got the veteran players in the game of old politics. You like it so, put slight pepper on it and bite down hard. Enjoy it while it lasts, your leader may not be able to lead his own party within the coming weeks, and no amount of life-saving vital injections of political life from Prime Minister Manning will save this piece of work from a fate he richly deserves.
Your predictable retorts are expected. Take some good advice and market it. You could make a fortune grabbing sleep-aid market share.
Marchalis out.
YUH ENT SHAME
YUH ENT SHAME -
After all the fantastic negatives you portray about Panday and these are not new I have heard most of them since Shah’s days, then there was Hulsie and Ramesh. Yet your esteemed leader joined with the crook and accepted the anointment of Govenor Central Bank and Deputy Leader. You know a man has a history of despicable behaviour and yet you accept favours from him. Only after you ask for him to anoint you as leader and do not get it you then see religion. I heard Dookeran saying that he tried to give UNC the message and when they would not listen he left. What message? How to lose an election? A party and a man you claim to be so heavily tainted and you cannot get one seat? You have the message and you cannot win your own seat. It is not just one or two people saying so at the polls, it is the majority of the country. There is a total disconnect between what you are seeing and the majority of the population voted for. You are talking theory and not reality. When you look at the following you get an entirely different impression,
1) COP was offered two seats in the senate by UNC.
2) The esteemed Leader refused both.
3) The Deputy Leader took up one and ask people to vote UNC.
4) A COP youth Leader in the person of Sherwin Williams speaking on UNC platform ask people to join with.
5) COP members appearing in increasing numbers at UNC meetings.
6) The EX-UNC MP' S fed up with Dookeran got together and attempted to broker a deal with the UNC with the assistance of Kamal and Mahabir they all felt that Panday must be included in unity talks
7) Inshan Ishmael people are now appearing at UNC meetings.
8) The dislike for Sat and his bullying behavior plus his close association with COP are turning people away.
9) EX-UNC MP Fuad Khan appeared as a UNC Senator seeking to start unity talks
People understand that UNC is the legitimate Opposition these were the wishes of the people. You all are imposters posing as the Opposition. The constitution and the people of T&T recognise of one Leader of the Opposition and that is Basdeo Panday. Anybody else is a pseudo- Leader. Please wake up and smell the coffee. That is why when there is a meeting of the Prime Minister and The Leader of the Opposition, you see Manning and Panday. You might not like them or the fact that they beat you soundly in elections but you must learn to respect their positions if you want people to respect you. And if you aspire to one of these positions you would want respect if you are appointed into one of them. But what do you do, you show utter contempt to the duly elected Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition. Is that your code of behaviour? You talk about governance but you cannot accept the wishes of the people at election time. You talk about code of behaviour and Sat and Dookeran’s behaviour is less than exemplary same gutter snipe wajank politics. Before elections everything you regurgitated was known to the public of T&T. What were the results PNM - 26, UNC – 15, COP – 0? Please get a life and stop torturing yourself. In a democracy the majority rule.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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YOUR BEST TODATE
YOUR BEST TODATE -
This is definitely your most intelligent blog to date. Where there is life there is hope. I agree if cannot rebut just say no comment. Glad to see you took my advice.
I appreciate the compliment.
I appreciate the compliment. I always try to tailor my responses to match the content that preceded it.
So few are able to convey so direct a message using one letter, repeated the right amount of times.
Nice to know that it is understood and appreciated.
CONFESSION
CONFESSION -
Confession is good for the soul. Admitting ones inadequacies is the first step to recovery. I am sure you already know about this. I really am proud of you. Just keep off of that stuff and stop hallucinating about COP. Lust for power can be very intoxicating. Stop being inCOPticated.
WHOSOEVER WINS BUSINESS WINS
WHOSOEVER WINS BUSINESS WINS -
Opposition unity is not a priority to the business community who finances political parties. They call the shots, they decide who will be the leader, and they are the power brokers who run the country. The political Leaders and parties are just front men, men of straw. Don't you see how Jack calls for his pound of flesh? They all do. It was the business community that orchestrated the elevation of Williams and the PNM as the preferred option to Butler. The NAR was only able to defeat PNM when the business community through Neal and Massy brokered a deal between the Gang Leaders of the Political Parties. UNC was only able to defeat PNM when Ish, Steve and Brian of Maritime left PNM and brokered a deal with opposition forces. We know CLICO was also involved. Without the expressed will of the business community there will be no opposition unity. The status quo remains the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Big fish eat small fish and you know what the small fish eat. All newspapers are owned by big business or government who is controlled by big business. We coocoo done cook. Change is only cosmetic. The parasitic oligarchy is alive and well and will not be deterred. Long live the Parasitic Oligarchy it shall prevail.
PNM - Parasitic oligarchy Never Moves
UNC - U Never Control (Parasitic Oligarchy)
COP - Cover Of Parasitic oligarchy
One step forward to unity
One step forward to unity and two steps backward from unity. That's the motto. When you think these leaders are going to bury the hatchet, all they do is bury it in each other's back. Time for them to step aside and let the people unite or else you'll get the Manning dynasty until you die.
WHAT TAINTED PANDAY DID
WHAT TAINTED PANDAY DID -
Under the leadership of the tainted Basdeo Panday,
UNC no new taxes
UNC less crime
UNC less corruption
UNC ran the country better with much less resources.
UNC ran the country stably with a small majority in Parliament
UNC appointed Dookeran Governor Central Bank
UNC made Dookeran Deputy Leader after he was removed by PNM as Governor Central Bank
UNC won 15 seats
UNC offered COP two senatorial seats
Now who eh shame?
Now who eh shame? -
Why yuh leave out what else he did? He and his wife? And how much money they did it with? And how much money Carlos John gave him? Eh? The same things that land his crooked tail in multiple courts. Out of 1,300,000 people like is only YOU forget that.
Oh right... you left that out because they were trumped up charges. A conspiracy concocted by the PNM backed up by the PNM's Privy Council. HOW DARE they order a retrial and not a dismissal?!!!
Since 2002 people showing you what you choose not to see. But nobody waiting on you. Near half a million voting people speaking in loud tones. Nobody interested in what Panday did... HE WAS PAID A HANDSOME SALARY WITH PERKS FOR IT. Post only the icing bruddaman, the people of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago need NO HELP from the PNM or COP to see Panday for what he really is and what he really did. That is why it has been and will remain impossible for Basdeo Panday, on his own merit, to ever win any election anywhere, be it general, local or bloody internal!!!!
Cheers!
(Spell "dUNCe" again nah! You do it every time you post.)
ALL IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
ALL IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN -
All of this was in the public domain before the elections. PNM corruption and Manning's wife appointment and double perks were well publicised. COP's untainted rebranding was supported by holy men Religious Leaders like Sat who blessed their victory. Manning had the Prophetess and you had Sat. It was the war of the holies. What was the end result you were still unable to convince the population to put you in the parliament as Government or as Opposition. We have heard the same tired old arguments ad nauseaum before and after the election like a broken old record. What was the response from the nationals of T&T in a free and fair election? Tainted PNM - 26, Tainted UNC -15, Untainted COP - 0. Your message of NEW POLITICS is not getting through; John Public does not believe you. When you parade Sat and your main supporter you want people to believe that you are different. In many parts of the community Sat has more negatives than Panday, but you embrace him putting up front like Calder Hart.
Let me ask you this
Let me ask you this -
In light of all that you just posted - public domain - let me as you this:
Given all that is happening, not the least of which inside the UNC, do you believe that Panday is able to convince the population to put him in power?
(you can pass on the question if you plan to answer with another question or if you don't plan to answer honestly)
WHAT UNTAINTED DOOKERAN DID
WHAT UNTAINTED DOOKERAN DID -
The holy one, the untainted Winston Dookeran,
Broke away from UNC
Controlled 6 seats in Parliament
Voted with Manning on many occasions
Lost his seat
COP did not win a seat
Refused two senatorial seats offered by UNC
Refuses to respond positively to Unity moves on instructions of financiers
Put party first
Fairplay , Panday may lose
Fairplay , Panday may lose his seat in the next general election and the COP may win some seats .
ATW-Barbados .
MAY
MAY -
UNC may win the next election. May does not cut it. On one hand you claim you do not want Panday because he cannot win. But on the other hand he beat Dookeran and you want Dookeran who lose. You said COP was going to win the last election and nada. Now Dookeran may win his seat. There is great doubt in your minds. The lack of consistency in your standards shows a weakness in direction and Leadership. Your message is muffled, unclear. The tainted beats the untainted. Being tainted does not keep PNM back their supporters don’t care. PNM is the most corrupt party in the history of T&T, but are in power now, did it stop them no. As far as they are concerned all ah we thief. Its better we thieving than them, plain and simple. If Manning was an Indian, Hindu he would have been dealt the same hand as Panday. It is pure unadulterated racism. PNM could thief as much as they want and be re-elected, but UNC it is the opposite. And do not tell me there is not racial voting in T&T. Join Race and Religion and you have a mixture more potent than gramaxone.
"On one hand you claim you
"On one hand you claim you do not want Panday because he cannot win"
Still creating strawmen and then discrediting them for the sake of argumentative advancement. The COP never said they do not want Panday because he cannot win. It's much more likely that they said "We do not want Panday. He can't win". The "because" makes the world of a difference here.
A VERY INTERESTING READ
A VERY INTERESTING READ -
Especially when you get to the section "Opposition Again"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_National_Congress
Show me your leader and I'll tell you what you are.
SMELL THE COFFEE
SMELL THE COFFEE -
As another blogger posted as far as most people are concerned there is a UNC-A and a UNC-B, he identifies Panday as the leader of A and Dookeran the leader of B. The attempt to distance yourself as having come from the bosom of the UNC has not worked. Why because of the racial politics to a significant majority it is them Indians against we Africans they are the grass roots. Many of them see Sat as racist. The same racism that would identify Panday as Indian also identifies Dookeran as Indian. Dookeran might not have the additional baggage as being Hindu or coming from the Labour Movement but it is not sufficient to overcome the hurdles. Sat is not sufficient.
PS: Still no statement from COP, on the wajank behaviour of their main spokes person in the Hindu community, Sat. If it was Panday they would be talking for months.
As more than one blogger has
As more than one blogger has already explained to you, Sat Maharaj is neither a member of the COP's executive nor the COP's leadership. As such, his actions, though capable of gaining or loosing votes for the party are not sanctioned/approved by the party. This is the the reality of politics worldwide. The COP is therefore not responsible for providing an explanation for Sat's behaviour.
Political parties are not bound to reward their supporters for their commendable acts or to chastise their supporters for their despicable acts.
The tunnel vision you suffer from is worsening. You are intent on cherry picking the perceived flaws of the COP whilst hoisting your precious UNC above all criticism. "Fair"ness is rarely ever shown in your blogs. If it existed at all, you would have realised that it is much more reasonable for a party to apologise for it's leader who is involved in cases of corruption that have already resulted in guilty verdicts in foreign courts, is a foul-mouthed pig and an agent of disharmony that rivals all others rather than for a party to apologise for the actions of a vocal supporter over whom the party has no real control.
PS: Still no evidence for the allegation of contradiction you made against me. What's the matter? Bass-got-your-tongue?
I NEVER ASKED FOR AN APOLOGY
I NEVER ASKED FOR AN APOLOGY -
The English Language can be challenging to some, it explains some of the incoherence in your blogs. The person who moved the motion against Panday his particulars were unknown and as to the applicability and the wishes of Kamla, but many comments were made by COP. Kamla came out and stated that the position of a Leader does not arise there was no comment by COP on this though. I never asked for an apology. I find the quickness with which COP responds to activities in UNC is very noticeable. To simply say that Sat is not an executive when he is a symbol of the party’s inclusiveness and was used as a symbol of the Hindu vote moving from the UNC to COP is just cheap politicking. Dookeran was very cosy with that same leader accepting many favours from that foul-mouthed pig and an agent of disharmony, like the Commissioner of the Central Bank and Deputy Leader and defending him and UNC up to the last. Many of of those implicated in scandals, Ganga Sing and Sadiq were welcomed with open arms to COP. Look who’s talking about TUNNEL VISION.
PS: Wait Dorothy, Wait Dorothy, Wait.
CHEAP POLITICKING
CHEAP POLITICKING -
It is clear you feel no sense of shame over the fact that among what remains of UNC supporters nationwide, you are the only one absurdly calling for a statement from the COP on Sat Maharaj's behaviour, boring day after boring day. You are certainly qualified to talk about cheap politicking. Similarly, by examples of your own postings you are also imminently qualified to talk about the challenges of the English languages. One expects you are referring to basic comprehension and analysis. Trot along gingerly yes brudda, madness is gladness.
PSEUDO PARTY
PSEUDO PARTY -
Failed attempt at rebranding everyone knows the COP as UNC-B team.
YOU ANSWERING
YOU ANSWERING _
You trying to double team me but your efforts are ineffective. You are now drinking tea for Resh1986 fever. You are doing a poor job though. There are things that you and others blog about that others don't so that point has little significance. There is no law saying that you must blog on things others blog on or even agree. One expects you don't comprehend. The statement is as plain as the nose on your face, what is there to explain further. A standard two student will understand. I did NOT ask for an apology. Do you want me to say it again I DID NOT ASK FOR AN APOLOGY. You want me to explain that. Habla Espanol. Parlez vous Francais. Oigy joji noji. What is it a competition to see who is worst at comprehension. OK you both win.
Only you know what "double
Only you know what "double team" crap you talking. You doing a far better job by replying to your own replies and arguing with yuhself like you is Jeff Dunham. Where I say "apology"?? Eh genius? Read my post carefully (tread slowly eh, it have some words with more than 2 syllables, sorry), I said among all the remaining UNC supporters, you were the only joker expecting the COP to make a statement on Sat. If you can't read, don't act like you understand. Get ah dictionary and look up STATEMENT and APOLOGY. Ask a grown up for assistance using the dictionary, it could get tricky for you as it contains words.
Just admit you don't appreciate when people make sense... be a man, and not a standard two student.
Spell "dUNCe" for uncle Marchie nah!
LET US GO SLOWLY
LET US GO SLOWLY -
My reference to English was when another blogger erroneously stated that I asked for an Apology. You picked up the issue and I referred you back to the original statement for clarification “I DID NOT ASK FOR AN APOLOGY". At no point did I accuse you of making the statement. If you are trying to run interference for the other blogger by buying his fight, sell it back to him because you are making a bad matter worst. ENGLISH COMPREHENSION.
You are obviously not in
You are obviously not in total control of the English Language. Where did I explicitly say you asked for an apology?
AH HEAR ABOUT
AH HEAR ABOUT -
Ah hear about people unable to read there own handwriting but you cannot understand what you write. Now you want to play with semantics and throw in the word explicitly. Is it that you implicitly did it. Plain and simple it is either you did or you did'nt. If someone has to explain to you if you said something or not you do not know what you wrote and it is there for you to read back, then we have a little problem.
It is irresponsible to
It is irresponsible to attribute statements to me which you perceive to be implicit in my writings. Two examples were given in my blog: the issuance of an apology by a political party amounting to reasonable action and the issuance of an apology amounting to an unreasonable action.
The examples were meant to illustrate two cases and is in no way akin to suggesting you asked for an apology.
"If someone has to explain to you if you said something or not you do not know what you wrote and it is there for you to read back, then we have a little problem."
You can't explain to me what I said implicitly. Doing so requires you to estimate the thought that preceeded my word and such measurement is imperfect.
Where Chandresh Sharma?
Where Chandresh Sharma?
Probably overtaking on the
Probably overtaking on the shoulder again.
"I NEVER ASKED FOR AN
"I NEVER ASKED FOR AN APOLOGY"
You are however waiting for the COP to issue a statement on the matter. However, as I explained in my last blog, they are not bound to do so.
"I find the quickness with which COP responds to activities in UNC is very noticeable."
The quickless however is not just convenient to UNC-based situations.
"To simply say that Sat is not an executive when he is a symbol of the party’s inclusiveness and was used as a symbol of the Hindu vote moving from the UNC to COP is just cheap politicking."
My friend, you are almost robotic in your arguments. It is stubborness on a scale so magnanimous it can only be called UNC. Sat was not used by the party. He proved himself to be an asset and now he is proving to be a liability. His actions however, are his actions alone and are not sanctioned by the party. You are the horse who completely refuses to drink the water though you are led to the well many-a-time.
"Dookeran was very cosy with that same leader accepting many favours from that foul-mouthed pig and an agent of disharmony, like the Commissioner of the Central Bank and Deputy Leader and defending him and UNC up to the last."
I thought Winston Dookeran was offered the position based on his economic expertise?
Nonetheless, then there was reciprocity present. Dookeran performed a job and he was paid for it. Is your employer doing you a favour by paying you at the end of every month?
Additionally, it's nice to see that you have fully embraced the UNC culture of victimhood. The world must feel so sorry for fairplay now that he is being bullied and "double-teamed" everyday by Marchalis and Resh1986.
PS: Shirley, I have been waiting for some time. If you made up evidence to discredit me in a previous argument and therefore, do not have the proof I'm asking for, that's okay. That sort of action is compatible with the party you support.
HOW SIMPLISTIC
HOW SIMPLISTIC -
I thought Winston Dookeran was offered the position based on his economic expertise?
So was he then removed by PNM based on his economic expertise, there must be other factors. These appointments are primarily based on political considerations. The most qualified rarely gets these jobs. Williams and Bobb are eminently more qualified than Dookeran based on their experience alone. There might be even some out there even more qualified. Many have questioned Dookeran’s tenure in the position. The CLICO fiasco was well articulated by Ramesh that they were overexposed and of course the potential risk to the economy. And he did very little to arrest the situation. The fact that CLICO was a major financier of UNC might have also been a factor. So when you hear about NEW POLITICS and PUT COUNTRY first you will realize that it is just old talk. It was put financiers first. It is no different in COP. The PNM had to clean up his mess.
You still waiting
You still waiting -
You waiting for an explanation- sorry, I mean "statement" from the COP.
You eh waiting for a statement from the UNC for the shameless MP (as in Member of Parliament,) Sri Chandresh Sharma over his 1) blatant breaking of the law, 2) failure to own up by paying the ticket, 3) Failure to show, TO DATE, to the authorities days after a warrant was issued for his arrest? You not waiting for that... Mr. "Fair"play? Most likely you have some convenient excuse for MP Sharma. And that is a man people does call "Guru"? That is the exemplar that Panday has among his den of thie-- I mean MP's? His constituents can't even find him - but then, that's not unusual, and there's no word from his leader on that - also, not unusual. So while you waiting for an explanation from a party not in gov't or opposition about the behaviour of a mere supporter, you are quite satisfied about the behaviour and party statement on a sitting member of parliament for breaking the law, failing to pay for the crime and failing to show after a warrant for his arrest is issued. You cool with that... You must be, for THIS is the party you want to form the next government. You have stayed conveniently quiet on it, in the hope that no one brings it up. Sharma's behaviour and subsequent actions are in keeping with his party and the man who leading it.
You have no moral authority to call for any statement from anybody for anything. You are too much of a hypocrite to call for anything, while at the same time accusing others of hypocrisy and having no shame.
Remember, DUNCE is always spelt De UNC (long stress on the "C")
COP STATEMENTS ON KAMLA
COP STATEMENTS ON KAMLA -
COP sought to exploit the perceived differences between Kamla and Panday. Kamla has indicated that the position of Leader does not arise. Kamla indicated that she had cleared with the party to join with Prakash in the walk about. Kamla indicated that she was not going to join the NO TAX platform because of criticism of her Leader. There were many statements by COP on these issues. Propaganda efforts by COP to portray events differently failed. While busy misrepresenting the events in UNC the disgraceful behaviour of Sat took place. Little or no attention was given to this; he has since been kicked under the bus and distanced from. Sat is a Religious Leader of prominence, I do not expect that the Archbishop to go into a church and push down people and get on like a hooligan. This came against the background of the statement that divisive elements of UNC had migrated to COP. When word came out about the prophetess and Manning the PNM was severely criticised and they had to do damage control. Among their most severe critics was COP. So now we play the game of charge and counter charge. Two wrongs do not make a right. It is clear Sharma has been accused of breaking the law, he has been summoned. He will be charged and appear in court. He was in a function with the Mayor of San Fernando earlier in the week. It is not correct to break the law. If Sharma is wrong he is wrong, but equally if Sat is wrong he is wrong. It is not because Sharma is wrong after some weeks of toing and froing Sat is now wrong. So if Sharma had not done something then we would not hear that Sat is wrong. Therein lays the predicament of double standards. Yuh living in a glass house but yuh pelting stone at everybody house. Yuh house on fire but yuh wetting everyone else house. You portrayed yourself as untainted. The unspoiled virgins of politics, but you are proving to be just the same as those that you criticise. We expect that from PNM and UNC but not COP. You branded yourself as NEW and different. Same old same old. Nothing but a UNC-B team. B stands for soundly Beaten. In any case you don't know the difference you done inCOPsicated.
Remember COP make up COrPse, and UNC make up dUNCe. I would prefer to be a DUNCE rather than a CORPSE.
"It is not because Sharma is
"It is not because Sharma is wrong after some weeks of toing and froing Sat is now wrong. So if Sharma had not done something then we would not hear that Sat is wrong. Therein lays the predicament of double standards"
You know fairplay, if you give us 15 lines of garbage instead of 30 lines of garbage, we won't loose any respect for you. There is no need to shamelessly invent strawmen and then discredit them to make yourself look good. What you are doing in your previous paragraph is exactly that: generating a scenario out of the blue and then making it look silly.
"So was he then removed by
"So was he then removed by PNM based on his economic expertise, there must be other factors. These appointments are primarily based on political considerations. The most qualified rarely gets these jobs. Williams and Bobb are eminently more qualified than Dookeran based on their experience alone."
Could you provide us a breakdown of the experience of these three gentlemen to substantiate your point?
"There might be even some out there even more qualified. Many have questioned Dookeran’s tenure in the position."
However, there was not a squawk of criticism during his tenure. However, Winston Dookeran decides to form a political party and then every UNC pseudo-intellectual is retroactively displeased with his stewardship.
BEING OUTNUMBERED
BEING OUTNUMBERED -
The blogging experience brings to mind two boyhood experience I had of being outnumbered,
BY A GANG
While growing up I had a one on one confrontation with a member of a gang. Thinking that it ended there I was surprised that a lunch time the whole gang appeared outside the school gate some armed with knives. I was able to elude them effectively by making sure I was always close to the principal’s desk for the whole lunch period. I left school early at recess as I was told that they would return in the afternoon. Fortunately this was close to the end of the term and vacation was at hand. Two years later the said gang member was killed in a shoot out with Burroughs.
FOOTBALL
In my school days I played the position of pointer. I was normally one of the smallest on the field, and always had the good fortune to be double-teamed, marked by two stoppers who were usually the biggest and roughest on the field. Many who went on to represent T&T.
It is interesting how you seem to have the experiences that are like déjà vu. The blogging experience evokes these two memories. Life is a circle.
You STILL in boy DAZE
You STILL in boy DAZE -
As a whining little complainer, you have a few options open to you.
* Report This Comment - You could run to the Guardian (biased, I believe is how you describe them), all bloody-nosed for protection and tell them that 2 posters want to do you violence (as against engage in differences of opinion), and so seek its protection. (I hope I don't tun up dead in 2 years).
* You could ignore the offending posters and keep your own opinion, because you live in an absolute universe.
* You could be an adult.
You are on a public forum son. EXPECT to have proof of incorrect statements handed to you. The reason you whine and cry so much (some claptrap about doubleteam in school and gang member garbage) is because you are fed up of constantly being handed facts that disprove your own biases. I've owned up to being incorrect on this forum before. The lesson for me was to be accurate, especially on a public forum. If that concept is too adult for you, you always open to start a private likkle blog where opinions reign supreme and no one has to rely on facts and truth. Grow up lil bit nuh...
SPOKEN LIKE
SPOKEN LIKE -
Spoken like a true schoolyard bully. The choice of language is instructive. Stop whining don't complain take yuh licks as a man. Yuh could go and complain to yuh parents or the principal we go only beat yuh up again. Bullying does take place in the public domain? I distinctly remembered another blogger she was so infuriated at your attitude asking you not to respond to her blogs. Bullying girls too what a macho man image. You could sell flags to Mr Hunt; you have the record as the most flagged blogger. It is not what you do but how you do it. Some introspection needed. Wiggins and I disagree; I have never seen Wiggins flagged. Is the Guardian picking on you poor thing? Don't be inCOPsicated, there are new DUI laws. It appears everyone is ganging up on you, the Guardian and other bloggers or is it a case of victimhood. Is it Karma, reverse bullying. Now don’t get distracted the last time I mentioned bullying and balls in a blog word association left you unable to focus. As I have explained you have one beats very easy to mark on the football field of life you are predictable, stereotypical, it is easy to pull your strings, passionate but too emotional.
You are still a boy
You are still a boy -
The reason you whining shamelessly about schoolyard bullying in the face of verbal criticism is because you have not yet grown up, crying is still second nature.
Forgive me for assuming you were adult and mature enough to take a criticism. Since you are still stuck in that schoolyard, I will bring a lollipop for you when I rebut your claims.
He is exposing an awful lot
He is exposing an awful lot of his personality traits by acting the way he does in these forums. Now that people are actually speaking out against his attempts to monopolise every single e-article on the guardian website, he claims bullying/victimisation. I guess it's better when criticism is at a minimum. I don't think he takes it very well.
3 qualities which indicate he is yet to mature into adulthood:
(1) Hero worship: "Allyuh leave meh Panday alone, I doh know why allyuh so harsh to the man, he had the best government of all time, UNC doh need succession planning, Panday goh never ded, allyuh just think he goh dead cuz he is ah Indian Hindu Labour leader, that is rank discrimination, panday 100 murders less than manning 500 all the time". This is the equivalent of the "my dad can beat up your dad" statement.
(2) Repetition: Posts are often copied to other articles even when they are not relevant to the subject at hand. This is also seen as a grab for attention (and children do love attention).
Additionally, his rebuttals are often so off-point, you get the impression he is making a new argument just to avoid conceding the old one. I guess that's his version of: "I know you are but what am I?"
(3) Lack of capability for critical thought: Another quality which characterises childhood is the inability of the child to think critically. His blogs often convey faulty logic and reasoning which provides the same conclusion regardless of the observation.
BOTH AH THEM
BOTH AH THEM -
Sparrow calypso "Both ah them" readily comes to mind.
Leave me out of yuh personal
Leave me out of yuh personal fantasies please... I doh swing so.
YOUR PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE
YOUR PAVLOVIAN RESPONSE -
To word associations is quite revealing, you always end up fixated in the same direction.
UPDATE WHAT TAINTED PANDAY
UPDATE WHAT TAINTED PANDAY DID -
Under the leadership of the tainted Basdeo Panday,
UNC no new taxes
UNC less crime
UNC less corruption
UNC ran the country better with much less resources.
UNC ran the country stably with a small majority in Parliament
UNC appointed Dookeran Governor Central Bank
UNC made Dookeran Deputy Leader after he was removed by PNM as Governor Central Bank
UNC won 15 seats
UNC offered COP two senatorial seats
UNC Panday first and only Indian PM
UNC Panday first and only Hindu PM
UNC Panday first and only PM Labour Leader
For somebody who tainted he T-Aint do too bad.